[ SECERT POST #1846 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1846 ⌋


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Comments

[kindlycoyote.livejournal.com]

This.

I just... I can't watch it. I have some of the songs on my ipod, I love inter-racial/cultural romances, Pocahontas rocks, this should be a great movie for me! Except since it is based on actual history of a oppressed race, and buys into the bull that is John Smith's reports, it makes me die a little on the inside whenever I try and watch it now.

Not to mention the 'Native Americans all all uber magical with nature' trope. My god, that trope. Seriously dudes, at this time Europeans were also claiming to see spirits, angels and faerie. Why do writers constantly make it like white people always ~lost touch with the spiritual world~? Or that Native Americans are somehow more ~mystical~ than the rest of the human race? It is white washing history and is kinda insulting in a weird way to both sides.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

As annoying as that trope is, it was a common place in European writing at the time. And it became more common as Capitalism advanced and wiped out the old land-based lifestyle. At least in England, I'm not sure in other countries, but France had something similar, if my memory serves me well.

[kindlycoyote.livejournal.com]

Wait, do you mean 'discovery of America' time, or 'When the movie was made' time? If it's the first, that doesn't excuse Disney to me, and if it is the second then it makes me sad but still a little more bearable.

Honestly, it just makes me roll my eyes a bit because over a hundred years later people like G.K. Chesterton talk about the superstitions of the Irish and so on. And it is a trope that people still take all to seriously today. It also doesn't help that I read a essay that a Chieftain wrote about the New Agers who claimed that they were reincarnated from Native Americans, and that the Native American way was closer to nature and 'superior', him essentially slamming them by saying it was a product of their white guilt as if they really wanted a closeness to nature their own ancestors of the European tribes had their own traditions.

...So yeah. I just, the trope is not one I can ever really read without my eyes rolling, whatever the era. I can excuse earlier works and not get all judgey on them, I still just can't stand 'em.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

I mean in the 16th century. This idea is clear in most (if not all) of the chronicles of the period, so I can't be too surprised at it. Why Disney accepted it and continued it, that's something I don't know. And, not being American or being knowledgeable in American history, I can't try to understand it, either.

[kindlycoyote.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it's a sticky issue. I read a lot about it because of some old childhood friends who were part Native American, so issues pertaining to that has always fascinated me. There is a lot of vicious back-and-forth which is mostly swept under the rug by politicians. Heck, most Americans don't know much about it! (Which is actually kind of sad, as I think as far as Native American history goes a lot of Americans just know Pocahontas, Sacajawea, Squanto, and maybe Sitting Bull and that is about it.)

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

I'm into European history, so I really can't say a thing. I only learnt about Pocahontas trough Disney and then looking her up in an encyclopaedia.

[meadowphoenix]

In the answer to your first question: both. "Civilized" cultures make a point of over-magifying the Other since forever.