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fandomsecrets2012-02-09 07:23 pm
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[ SECRET POST #1864 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1864 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Howl's Moving Castle]
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[Doctor Who]
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[Sailor Moon]
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[Orphan]
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[Muppet Treasure Island]
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[The Vampire Chronicles]
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[American baseball]
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[Wall-E]
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[Death Note, BBC Sherlock]
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[Virgin Love]
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[Anne McCaffrey's Dinosaur Planet I & II]
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[The Vampire Diaries]
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[Die Ärzte]
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[King of the Hill, Ben 10]
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[Madonna]
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[How I Met Your Mother]
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[The Hunger Games]
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[Phi Brain: Kami No Puzzle]
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[Cover Up!, The Crow]
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[Flashdance]
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Really wanna watch this show again now.
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Like there is no distinction in the field.
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I though sociopath meant someone who just can't empathise with other peoples emotions or social situations, whereas a psychopath can understand those things but they're incapable of giving a shit. So like a sociopath will appear cold without meaning to while a psychopath gets off on the hurt they know they're causing?
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I always though that the difference was sociopath was someone who was made that way through traumatic experiences (ala Dexter), whereas psycopath was someone born that way. But I brought it up with someone who did a lot of work for NICE, and related projects and got told 'Nope, different names for the exact same clinical affliction (ASPD)'.
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(Anonymous) 2012-02-10 02:19 pm (UTC)(link)Psychopath: Result of mostly biological factors.
Sociopath: Result of family, social or environmental factors in childhood (abuse, trauma, etc)
ASPD: Broad category including psychopaths and sociopaths but also other individuals with antisocial tendencies (ie people who have an emotional capacity but disrespect authority and have rebellious or criminal tendencies, etc). Lack of emotion is included but is not required for a diagnosis of ASPD, whereas for a sociopath or a psychopath, it is.
ASPD is diagnosed with the DSM whereas psychopathy and sociopathy are most commonly diagnosed with the Hare Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R). Only about 20% of individuals with ASPD can be classified as psychopaths or sociopaths.
(I'm a 3rd year psychology student, though this mostly comes from four years of independant research on select mental disorders, including psychopathy, for a novel I wrote - one of my main characters is a psychopath. I've read pretty much every book in existence on the subject, taken classes, etc. Unfortunately a lot of professionals don't know enough about these specific conditions to know the actual difference; they are very complex and very similar conditions with just a few important distinctions.)
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(Anonymous) 2012-02-10 02:38 pm (UTC)(link)http://www.hare.org/links/saturday.html
ASPD is a different but similar thing covering some of the same traits; I think you said this here, but not in a way that indicates the tension between the current DSM diagnosis and Hare.
What bothers me is that a lot of writers don't know much about these specific conditions and are too quick to dump them on their characters without fully understanding what the terms mean. Good for you for doing better research than most. :)
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(Anonymous) 2012-02-10 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)I agree 100%; that seriously bothers me, too. So many characters are falsely passed off as psychopaths and sociopaths these days. Though I do build up my knowledge constantly, I am confident that my characters with psychological conditions are represented accurately and realistically. That knowledge makes all the hard work worth it. I don’t think anyone should publish a novel, script, TV show, etc involving real-life concepts (especially such complex ones) without doing the proper research.
I’m not saying that psychopathy and sociopathy are actually two different things, because they are fundamentally the same thing, but the origin of the symptoms does differ. Consider the following passage from “Without Conscience” (by Hare):
“In many cases the choice of term reflects the user’s views on the origins and determinants of the clinical syndrome or disorder described in this book. Thus, some clinicians and researchers [...] who believe that the syndrome is forged entirely by social forces and early experiences prefer the term sociopath, whereas those – including this writer – who feel that psychological, biological, and genetic factors also contribute to development of the syndrome generally use the term psychopath.” - So, yes, Hare does acknowledge that there is a difference between the terms and does not use them interchangeably (in fact, Hare always uses the term psychopath). Many professionals do use them separately (my own criminal psychology professor, for instance) – using the term “sociopath” to describe a case where the person’s syndrome results from primarily social and familial factors, and “psychopath” where the origin is predominantly biological (ie, “born with it”). Personally, as a future psychiatrist, this is what I was taught and what I believe, but – as like many things in psychology – there is no clear consensus on this. They do represent essentially the same syndrome, though (with the exception of psychopaths not having the capacity to feel anything but basic emotion (non-reactive brain waves), diminished capacity to feel physical pain, etc, which I’m not sure would be present in someone who developed the syndrome through environmental factors).
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They actually mentioned the hare test now you bring it up (in the context of a coworker himself administering the test, and how he hitting all the requirements, and a divergence into how open ended and ambiguous the criteria were, making it problematic for any real diagnosis)
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(Anonymous) 2012-02-10 02:23 pm (UTC)(link)no subject
"The American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders incorporated various concepts of psychopathy/sociopathy/antisocial personality in early versions but, starting with the DSM-III in 1980, used instead the term Antisocial Personality Disorder and focused on earlier behavior instead of using personality judgements. The World Health Organization's ICD incorporates a similar diagnosis of Dissocial Personality Disorder. Both the DSM and the ICD state that psychopathy (or sociopathy) are synonyms of their diagnosis.
Psychopathy and sociopathy are terms related to ASPD. ASPD replaced psychopathy as a diagnosis in the DSM but the terms are not identical. Psychopathy is now (like sociopathy) usually seen as a subset of ASPD.[3][4]" - Wikipedia, from the ASPD page
So it looks like you are right? Both pages are misleading.
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He might have been a psychopath, actually.
Well, in fairness, he "admitted" he was Kira when he thought he'd WON. It was a laugh of triumph, but he did it a little too early. Poor guy; premature celebration can be SO embarrassing!
I think you should read the manga. The show smooshed a bunch of storyline together at the end; and Light's death is SO much more satisfying in the manga. Plus, instead of killing himself for his "God" like in the anime, in the manga, Mikami denounces Light at the end. HA! Suck on THAT, you bastard!
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Yeah, I really don't like Light.
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And, yeah, when it comes to DN, I'm pretty much about L. And I like Near, as well. (-:
Maybe I'm biased, but L died, I think the story got a little scattered for awhile. I think it got better by the end, but for awhile, it was like "WTF...?"
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