[ SECRET POST #1892 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1892 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[How I Met Your Mother]


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03.
[White Collar]


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04.
[Smash]


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05.
[How I Met Your Mother]


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06.
[Revenge]


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07.
[The Hunger Games]


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08.
[Yu-Gi-Oh]


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09.
[White Collar]


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10.
[Obscurus Lupa, Subspecies]


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11.
[Castleville]


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12.
[Gintama]


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13.
[The Cat Returns]


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14.
[Mythbusters]


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15.
[Invasion of the Body Snatchers]


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16.
[Titanic]


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17.
[All Dogs go to Heaven]


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18.
[Hatoful Boyfriend]


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19.
[Pokemon]


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20.
[Phantom of the Opera]


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21.
[The Middle]


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22.
[life on mars]


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23.
[Scrubs]


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24.
[A Goofy Movie]


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25.
[Nerimon/Alex Day]


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26.
[Katie McGrath]


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27.
[Chuck]


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28.
[Top Chef Season 9]


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29.
[The Vampire Diaries]


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30.
[The Vampire Diaries]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 045 secrets from Secret Submission Post #270.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

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[(Anonymous)]

DA

We aren't our own people when we're constantly bombarded with messages from society that say otherwise.

Everyone is bombarded with messages from society about how they should behave according to gender. That doesn't mean I'm not my own person, and you can shove that theory where the sun don't shine.

I'm ashamed to have you on my "side."

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[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

*shrug* And I'm ashamed to have you on mine if you don't even want to bother thinking about the choices you make and simply going with impulse. Call it even, I guess.

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[(Anonymous)]

You can stop right the fuck now.

How dare you imply that just because I consider myself my own person I make my choices without thought?!

Are only women who agree with you allowed to make their own choices?

Go fuck yourself.

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[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

How dare you imply that just because I consider myself my own person I make my choices without thought?!

When you're substituting cursing, personal attacks, and circular logic for an actual argument, I'm inclined to believe that you choose without thinking, yes.

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[(Anonymous)]

I have said two damn things to you.

"Everyone is bombarded with messages from society about how they should behave according to gender. That doesn't mean I'm not my own person,"

"How dare you imply that just because I consider myself my own person I make my choices without thought?!

Are only women who agree with you allowed to make their own choices?"

There is no circular logic as the two statements aren't even related to each other.

You on the other hand, how do you know that you're not just agreeing with that theory because someone else told you to? Afterall, you're the one saying no woman can freely make any choice.

And yeah, I am cursing and personally attacking you after you told me I was a lesser being who couldn't make her own choices. You got a problem with that or should I just point you towards the tone argument that you SJ types love so dearly? Or is it just not ladylike?

(frozen comment)

[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

None of the things you've said have constituted an argument.

There is no circular logic as the two statements aren't even related to each other.

Yes, there is. Circular logic is "A is true because A is true (because I said A is true)". What you've said is "I'm my own person and you are wrong because I say so." That's the very definition of circular logic.

You on the other hand, how do you know that you're not just agreeing with that theory because someone else told you to? Afterall, you're the one saying no woman can freely make any choice.

I could be, yes. But I doubt it because for a long time I didn't accept this theory, and originally thought like you did (that all my choices are my own). But after thinking about it and seeing it explained a few different ways, it made sense to me. I'm open to others, yes, but only after careful consideration did I decide to agree with this.

And yeah, I am cursing and personally attacking you after you told me I was a lesser being who couldn't make her own choices. You got a problem with that or should I just point you towards the tone argument that you SJ types love so dearly? Or is it just not ladylike?

And I'm sorry that the truth that you (nor any other woman) is as independent and free thinking as you believe is hard to face. But lashing out at me isn't going to change that, nor is it going to make me inclined to believe you thinking about your life in any way whatsoever.

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[(Anonymous)]

What you've said is "I'm my own person and you are wrong because I say so." That's the very definition of circular logic.

And you've provided a less circular argument, how? And also, who the fuck are you to define my identity?

How about this then? I'm going into male-dominated fields, I have been in traditionally "male" spaces for year. That doesn't just happen by magic.

You know what? Maybe I'm secure enough in my life decisions that some stupid bitch ranting on the internet isn't enough to make me rethink them.

You know nothing about me, thanks for judging my decision-making ability by the fact that I'm a woman. So a nice big "Fuck you" for perpetuating that misogyny.

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[(Anonymous)]

*I have been in traditionally "male" spaces for years

Sorry! Typo!

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[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

I've provided a less circular argument by giving reasons and context for why I feel the way I do, rather than just saying "this is fact because I say it's fact." Which is what you've been doing.

You know nothing about me, thanks for judging my decision-making ability by the fact that I'm a woman.

I'm judging your decision-making specifically because of your lashing out and personally attacking me (with a misogynist slur no less!) for even suggesting women should think before they make a decision.

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[(Anonymous)]

And now I did the same. I find it pretty damn insulting that I had to prove that I am capable of making my decisions like a real person.

with a misogynist slur no less!

You know what? I don't consider bitch to be particularly misogynistic. *shrugs* If you don't like it, sorry, but I came to that decision by myself and I will continue to choose to use it. To me, it means to go about things in an underhanded and petty way. Yes, it was once associated with women more than men, but that association is weakening more and more. I continue using it to further this neutrality.

I'm judging your decision-making specifically because of your lashing out and personally attacking me or even suggesting women should think before they make a decision.

You can stop twisting my words right there. You decided that I was incapable of making my own decisions, so yes I'm going to get pissed right the fuck off. See tone argument. You were suggesting there was no way I could have made my decisions without thinking them through because I didn't use your decision-making process, implying there's only one way to do it. Furthermore, you are the one assuming that women don't think through their decisions and yes, that's pretty fucking offensive and a very bitchy move on your part.

Somehow I find the idea of questioning whether women are actually thinking about their decisions a hell of a lot worse than using a slur, even if you do consider it misogynistic.

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[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

And now I did the same. I find it pretty damn insulting that I had to prove that I am capable of making my decisions like a real person.

No, you didn't. You have yet to prove that you're capable of anything other than knee-jerk irrational anger when you read something you don't agree with.

To me, it means to go about things in an underhanded and petty way. Yes, it was once associated with women more than men, but that association is weakening more and more. I continue using it to further this neutrality.

And nothing I have said has been "petty and underhanded." It's still associated with women, by the way, and even its use toward men is rooted in misogyny; a man is a "bitch" when he's emotional and weak-willed. A woman is a "bitch" when she says things you don't like. It's still a misogynist slur when used toward a person, whether you consider it one or not.

You were suggesting there was no way I could have made my decisions without thinking them through because I didn't use your decision-making process

Funny that you talk about word-twisting when you're doing it yourself. I don't believe you personally make decisions without thinking them through based on the way you're arguing your point. That is, resorting to personal attacks and nothing else of substance. You aren't thinking; you're reacting.

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[(Anonymous)]

DA

It's plenty rational to be angry after being told that you're incapable of making your own decisions and need to question absolutely everything you do just because you're a woman. And you've long since ceased to have an argument other then 'well you're angry so that means you're wrong!'

Also, the whole 'you're being overemotional' argument is something that's been used for a long time to dismiss womens' arguments.

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[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

I don't see how it's rational to get angry when told that society has a nasty habit of manipulating you into wanting things because you fear repercussion if you don't want them. Yes, men do experience this to some degree, but not nearly to that which women do. Not to mention that until very very recently, women having a choice about anything was a completely alien concept, so it's a little naive to think that inertia doesn't play any part whatsoever in the decisions we make.

Also, the whole 'you're being overemotional' argument is something that's been used for a long time to dismiss womens' arguments.

There's a distinct difference between "you're being overemotional" and "your argument consists of nothing but logical fallacies and personal attacks, ergo you don't have one."

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[(Anonymous)]

No, you didn't. You have yet to prove that you're capable of anything other than knee-jerk irrational anger when you read something you don't agree with.

Maybe you are the one who isn't reading. I talked about my decisions going against what society says.

And nothing I have said has been "petty and underhanded." It's still associated with women, by the way, and even its use toward men is rooted in misogyny; a man is a "bitch" when he's emotional and weak-willed. A woman is a "bitch" when she says things you don't like. It's still a misogynist slur when used toward a person, whether you consider it one or not.

No, you don't get to make that decision for me. You can still consider it misogynist, and I respect that, but I don't. I use it towards both genders when doing petty and underhanded things. Questioning my worth as a person based on an internet argument is pretty damn bitchy by those standards.

Funny that you talk about word-twisting when you're doing it yourself. I don't believe you personally make decisions without thinking them through based on the way you're arguing your point. That is, resorting to personal attacks and nothing else of substance. You aren't thinking; you're reacting.

Yeah, I am reacting angrily because I don't appreciate someone telling me I don't think because I got angry with them calling me incapable of making good decisions unless I go by there method because I'm woman. Oh and just saying that women aren't full people because society says so. The nerve, I really should have treated you more nicely while explaining you were a misogynist asshole. How many times do I have to say TONE ARGUMENT before you fucking get it?

You are a judgmental asshole, and I'm not the only one who's said so in this very thread. I'm tired of you telling me how I'm not my own person and how I can't make decisions because I don't believe in your enlightened way, or maybe that I've lost my temper. Should I stop being so emotional because that's wrong too? GO FUCK YOURSELF.

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[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

Again, what have I said that is "petty and underhanded?" Language, by the way, is one area where yes, other people do get to make that decision for you. And it's obvious you don't respect my thinking the word is misogynist when you continue to use it at me.

Questioning my worth as a person based on an internet argument is pretty damn bitchy by those standards.

Isn't that the exact same thing you're doing?

How many times do I have to say TONE ARGUMENT before you fucking get it?

Because it isn't a tone argument. The only things you have said since your first reply have been personal attacks. You haven't addressed any of the points I expressed with anything except "you're wrong because I say so."

You are a judgmental asshole, and I'm not the only one who's said so in this very thread.

"Other people agree with me" isn't an argument, and it doesn't make your opinion fact.

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[(Anonymous)]

And it's obvious you don't respect my thinking the word is misogynist when you continue to use it at me.

No, I respect your thinking that. I don't respect you. Key difference there. If you were a random stranger, I would abide by your preferences, but no, you've lost any respect I might have had for you.

Isn't that the exact same thing you're doing?

Okay, so I'm a bitch too? Also, I will point out that I haven't judged your decision-making ability, only called you out on questioning women's decision-making abilities. Treating women differently than men is pretty much the definition of misogyny.

The only things you have said since your first reply have been personal attacks. You haven't addressed any of the points I expressed with anything except "you're wrong because I say so."

Go back and read. You are missing things.

"Other people agree with me" isn't an argument, and it doesn't make your opinion fact.

Isn't that the whole basis of your argument? You and other people say women can't make decisions? Or is it just that because I'm angry all of my points are invalid?

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[(Anonymous)]

DA

Okay I am at my computer and just now am quite literally cheering for you by this comment, anon! Happy fists in the air and everything.

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[(Anonymous)]

Obvious sockpuppet is obvious.

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[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Uh no. Troll harder, though? :)

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[(Anonymous)]

Nope. It's plenty obvious. If you're going to lose, at least lose gracefully instead of resorting to shit like this.

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[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Dude I am not the thread-anon. Believe me, I wish I was. I don't dish compliments that I don't think are entirely earned, and boy, after thread after thread of that anon clawing for every scrap of her own agency over her own damn actions, she really deserved a good cheer.

As there's just no other way of getting you to acknowledge that I'm this ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ENTITY possibly hundreds of miles away from the other anon, I'm just gonna ignore you from now on and head off to bed. Kisses and goodnight!

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[(Anonymous)]

Well, despite what the other anon said, that made me feel warm and fuzzy. :)

Thank you.

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[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

You are so welcome (and articulate in your anger omg i am in awe).

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[(Anonymous)]

and articulate in your anger omg i am in awe

Yep, definitely a sockpuppet.

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[(Anonymous)]

No way, I was a raging inferno, and couldn't type to save my life. The only reason this comment (http://fandomsecrets.livejournal.com/852297.html?thread=528846921#t528846921) was slightly more coherent is that I got away from the computer a while so I came back with a slightly more level head.