[ SECRET POST #1892 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1892 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[How I Met Your Mother]


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03.
[White Collar]


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04.
[Smash]


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05.
[How I Met Your Mother]


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06.
[Revenge]


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07.
[The Hunger Games]


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08.
[Yu-Gi-Oh]


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09.
[White Collar]


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10.
[Obscurus Lupa, Subspecies]


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11.
[Castleville]


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12.
[Gintama]


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13.
[The Cat Returns]


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14.
[Mythbusters]


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15.
[Invasion of the Body Snatchers]


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16.
[Titanic]


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17.
[All Dogs go to Heaven]


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18.
[Hatoful Boyfriend]


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19.
[Pokemon]


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20.
[Phantom of the Opera]


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21.
[The Middle]


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22.
[life on mars]


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23.
[Scrubs]


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24.
[A Goofy Movie]


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25.
[Nerimon/Alex Day]


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26.
[Katie McGrath]


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27.
[Chuck]


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28.
[Top Chef Season 9]


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29.
[The Vampire Diaries]


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30.
[The Vampire Diaries]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 045 secrets from Secret Submission Post #270.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

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[insanenoodlyguy.livejournal.com]

Why? You might actually want to include the other half of the population in the conversation if your going to change the world.

Especially considering by your own declarations that we're the half running it all. We do happen to be involved in, you know, every issue being talked of on here.

Or do you just want to have a turn at marginalizing somebody? Oh noes! I'm going to piss you off now by pointing out that your willingness to dismiss somebody's opinion based on their gender means you'd have made a great status quo maintaining man.

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[(Anonymous)]

Because men have had the last few thousand years to talk about women's issues, and it's high time they shut up and listened for once instead of trying to talk over us. It happens every goddamn time you let a man talk about feminism; it stops being about the women and instead becomes All About Him.

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[insanenoodlyguy.livejournal.com]

Are you the same anon as before who started this particular vein of discussion, if so, seeing as how you responded in an actual reasonable way, I hope you will accept my apology for the accusation of marginalization. The face you responded at all means I was wrong on that account. If not, then I appreciate your offering of an answer significantly more relevant then "Male, shut your hole"

If that's the case however, you probably shouldn't put a discussion up in a place where there's so many of us dudes. Most people, upon seeing a discussion that interests them, will want to get involved. Being told they can't play cause of gender, is, well... you probably can finish that thought for me. Let's face it, Fandom!Secrets really isn't a girls club.

I suppose in part it depends on the goal of the discussion, but it seems to me that the guy that was original posted to made a valid point. Agree with that point or don't, the argument of "you're male, you can't talk about this" is, well, pretty damn flawed. Simply from a debate standpoint the lack of acknowledgement of the point by devolving into personal attacks is on par with all the dismissive attacks folks would cite on here as bigoted, sexist or ablest. The context of oppression doesn't change the fact that it's a shit argument, turning it around just proves that all groups have assholes.

It'd be one thing to tell a guy that no, sexism has not affected him in the same way or the same magnitude as it has affected women, which from what I've seen is the point encompassing or behind many of the situations where it becomes "All about him." In this case however, a guy pointed out (and I agree with him, though I think my argument itself is neutral here) that the poster above him was unfairly putting women's decisions under a ridiculously fine level of scrutiny that seems to require every decision to be judged against if it's that person's desires or if it's society's, whereas men apparently shouldn't do that just because they haven't been devalued to the same degree (Isn't this that society the poster has all the problems with that they want to change)? Especially considering the conversation suggests that any girl who goes with society's expectations must be it's slave, I think the point can be acknowledged, a position argued, clarified, or rejected. Otherwise, you'll have even those on your side turn from your inadequate tactics.

TL;DR This isn't a girls only board. Guys are here. Guys might have something to say. And if their argument isn't crap, a crap dismissal means the crappy one is you.