[ SECRET POST #1899 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1899 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[The Tempest]


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03.
[SGA]


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04.
[Life After People]


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05.
[Uncharted]


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06.
[Super]


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07.
[Japanese voice actors]


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08.
[Kamen Rider Den-O, Doctor Who ]


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09.
[Silent Hill 4: The Room]


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[Tripod]


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11.
[True Blood]


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12.
[Cabin Pressure]


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13.
[How I Met Your Mother]


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14.
[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]


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15.
[Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy]


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16.
[Gossip Girl]


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17.
[Sense and Sensibility]


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[FFX]


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19.
[The Princess and the Goblin]


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[Code Geass]


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21.
[Star Trek (2009)]


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22.
[Tree of Life]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 042 secrets from Secret Submission Post #271.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fierceawakening.livejournal.com]

This. History's ugly, if you don't sanitize it.

And I say this as someone who's far from hating all humans raaaaaaaaaaaaaaarg.

[stella-down.livejournal.com]

History's ugly, if you don't sanitize it.

that is just an utterly meaningless statement. what are you even trying to say?

[(Anonymous)]

Thomas Hobbes "life is nasty, brutish and short" quote is one of the favorite saying touted by history and international relations professors. Because history and the majority of modern intrastate/interstate issues are not pretty.

I'd actually be interested in hearing why you think otherwise?

[stella-down.livejournal.com]

I don't think otherwise, but you're doing fierceawakening a pretty big favor there by equating that with Hobbes.

[fierceawakening.livejournal.com]

I don't know that I'd go as far as Hobbes. But I mean exactly what you say: that history is not pretty. We make it sound so for kids, usually, and -- eh. Sometimes I think that's fine, as they may not be developmentally ready to handle, to use my example below, "Lincoln did some awesome things but was kind of a dick." But sometimes I think that does a disservice, because it teaches people to believe a rosy picture when history is actually messy and fraught with people doing the wrong things for the wrong reasons and even having creepy as fuck reasons when they do the right things.

Doesn't make history bad to study or unrelentingly creepy or anything. But no, it's Not Pretty, and someone already inclined to misanthropy doesn't seem to me to be likely to look at it and go "Whoa. I was wrong. YAY HUMANITY!!!"

[fierceawakening.livejournal.com]

Not sure why the hostility there. But what I'm saying is that when you're a kid, history, especially your own country's history, is presented as a parade of heroes. Like take for example the emancipation of slaves in the US. History books (or at least, mine) said, essentially, that Lincoln freed the slaves, and said it in such a way that it sounded like he realized the horrible moral wrong of slavery and took such a stand to stop it that there was a war, which he won. The implication was pretty strongly "because the good guys win."

Then, when I got older and studied history from books that reported more of the facts and less of the kid-friendly... well. To stick with that example, what I've seen since pretty clearly shows that Lincoln wasn't a great hero moved by his conscience's awareness that all people should be free, but a President desperate to keep his country together. He was willing to do anything at all about the slaves -- free them, free some, even free none to keep the Union together.

History is ugly. Rarely are the motivations of the people even who did things we all understand as good, such as freeing slaves, noble and wonderful and heroic. Sometimes people are heroes, but it's rare. If you sanitize history -- write history books like the ones I read as a kid -- you get Brave Heroes Yay Our Country, etc. But if you tell the truth, it's a lot uglier.

Perhaps you don't agree with me -- I've no idea -- but I really think it was strange of you to call what I said "utterly meaningless" before asking for the explanation. I hope that, even if you read this comment and strongly disagree, you no longer see what I'm saying as "meaningless." "Wrong" is fine. "Meaningless" implies I have nothing to say.

[stella-down.livejournal.com]

hey, thanks for the surprisingly civil reply that I didn't deserve. sorry for being a bitch - you seem like an all right chick, and you make a good point.

[fierceawakening.livejournal.com]

Hey, wow, thanks for the apology!

You seem pretty cool too most of the time, so I was kinda DX that I'd pissed you off, tbth.

I do think I wasn't clear about what I was saying, though. I knew what I had in mind, but I didn't really say it. So "what exactly did you just say?!" was fair enough.