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fandomsecrets2012-03-16 07:02 pm
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[ SECRET POST #1900 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1900 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Hanna is Not a Boy's Name]
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[Upstairs, Downstairs]
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[Alex Trebek]
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B. You even admit that it's a "smaller social faux pas" which means it is more acceptable, which is a double standard
The guy who paints himself at a football game is seen as a little crazy or over the top, but not in the way that guys in full plate armor at Renaissance Faires are seen as crazy and pathetic. It's not just about maturity; one is seen as normal and "oh boys will be boys" and one is seen as weird and deviant. There's no reason to debate the exact semantics of particularly how ostracized each indulgence is, or whether one is somehow technically more acceptable because hey you can catch a re-run.
It is different. It is treated differently at a basic level. A guy who wears an anime T-shirt will almost certainly get more shit than a guy in a team jersey. A guy in full cosplay will get more shit than a guy in full body paint. Yes, the guy in the anime T-shirt might get less shit than the guy in full body paint, but you're the one who brought up false comparisons.
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(Anonymous) 2012-03-17 05:14 am (UTC)(link)B. It is a double standard, but not nearly the length and breadth of the one you're trying to paint.
The guy who paints himself at a football game is seen as a little crazy or over the top, but not in the way that guys in full plate armor at Renaissance Faires are seen as crazy and pathetic.
Umm... yes it is just as sad and pathetic. At least the armor can (and often is) respected for the craftsmanship. Anything that makes it more sad and pathetic is the amount of time that goes in it.
There's no reason to debate the exact semantics of particularly how ostracized each indulgence is, or whether one is somehow technically more acceptable because hey you can catch a re-run.
This is exactly what you were doing!
A guy who wears an anime T-shirt will almost certainly get more shit than a guy in a team jersey. A guy in full cosplay will get more shit than a guy in full body paint.
A guy in a jersey shirt will get just as much grief from non-fans (sometimes even fellow sports fans) as an anime shirt will get from non fans. Ditto with the body paint/cosplay, if nothing else, they'd be looked at with the same level of disdain.
the guy in the anime T-shirt might get less shit than the guy in full body paint
And this phrase right here summed up why I have an issue with your comparison. You can't even say that the guy with the body paint would be given more grief than the guy in the anime shirt. Are you really saying that if two people walked down the street, one in an anime shirt, one in body paint that people really might be pointing and laughing at the guy in the anime shirt?
To me, that says you have a victim complex.
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Oh, the one sentence where I used "might" but you misunderstood its implication from context. "This may be true" can mean "I admit this is true, but..." if it leads into a contrasting statement, which is what I did. I'm not saying "well I'm not sure an a guy in an anime shirt will get less shit than a full body paint guy." Context is important, and quoted alone the meaning changes entirely.
I get that your premise is "the double standard is really not as bad as you think it is." If you had just said that I would've agreed to disagree and we could part ways. But you brought up stuff like reruns and social activity and civic pride, which to me is semantics, because it doesn't reinforce your point that the double standard isn't as bad as I say; it's only a collection of partial excuses for the double standard. Lots of social activities are looked down on as pathetic, like D&D, and whether or not a show reruns doesn't seem to be the deciding factor on how socially acceptable it is.
I think the double standard is worse than you say. You think it's not as bad as I say. Whatever, I don't really have any data to back myself up beyond personal experience, but I get the impression that you don't either.
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(Anonymous) 2012-03-17 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)PAINTING YOURSELF IS NOT "OKAY." IT'S CONSIDERED IMMATURE AND STUPID TOO.
In addition YOU ARE COMPARING DRESSING IN TEAM COLORS TO COSPLAYING. "It's okay to dress or even paint yourself in team colors to show your fan support [focus on the dress, not the paint], but dressing up like your favorite character to show fan support is considered horribly immature and stupid"
But you brought up stuff like reruns and social activity and civic pride, which to me is semantics, because it doesn't reinforce your point that the double standard isn't as bad as I say; it's only a collection of partial excuses for the double standard.
I was explaining, not excusing. I really don't like the implication that if I had only said it better you would have backed down. My point was that by NON-FANS football stuff is just as unacceptable as anime stuff, only that a person will statistically find more football fans wandering around town than anime fans because most fans of say... the Steelers live in Pittsburg, and it's shown as "Support these people as football representations of Pittsburg," so it's easier to support them by default.
Lots of social activities are looked down on as pathetic, like D&D, and whether or not a show reruns doesn't seem to be the deciding factor on how socially acceptable it is.
My point was that something live is more of a social excuse. You can always excuse yourself for live theater, it's easier for live coverage than something that will be re-aired.
Oh, the one sentence where I used "might" but you misunderstood its implication from context. "This may be true" can mean "I admit this is true, but..." if it leads into a contrasting statement, which is what I did. I'm not saying "well I'm not sure an a guy in an anime shirt will get less shit than a full body paint guy." Context is important, and quoted alone the meaning changes entirely.
Or it can mean "I can't refute this, but I don't agree and don't think it's true."
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(Anonymous) 2012-03-18 03:01 am (UTC)(link)I only watch big games for my teams, I only watch the championships for anything else. I don't own a single hat or T-shirt, let alone a Jersey.
Also, even if I were a sports fan, would I have a better perspective than you and the previous commenter?
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(Anonymous) 2012-03-18 06:27 am (UTC)(link)Also you missed the point where I'm not a sports fan.
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