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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-03-17 03:12 pm

[ SECRET POST #1901 ]

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-17 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Out of curiosity, what did you make of this quote? "We've reached a state now where it's, 'You shouldn't notice. Why are you noticing he's got a bomb and has a beard and is Muslim and wants to kill your family?"

Several people have said they found it offensive, but I thought his overall point there was positive, if very badly explained.

[identity profile] jak-frostty.livejournal.com 2012-03-17 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
That is actually one that I'm not sure I can interpret at all, or at least not by itself ('very badly explained' being an understatement). I honestly think there is either missing words or at least missing punctuation.

"Racism is one thing ? and I don't agree with that in any form ? but noticing that there are differences is normal and fine and to be encouraged.

"We've reached a state now where it's, 'You shouldn't notice. Why are you noticing he's got a bomb and has a beard and is Muslim and wants to kill your family?"



Ok. So, first sentence: Racism? Bad. Acknowledging differences in cultural practices and mores? Not just good, but essential.

Second: Society is at the overreacting point where nothing is PC enough to mention so we have to mentally erase everything cultural we notice in order to not offend anyone but just because nothing is spoken outwardly, doesn't mean the prejudice isn't still present internally. (i.e. He's just a person, not a Muslim, because obviously Muslims are terrorists.)

Edited for formatting. Sorry.
Edited 2012-03-17 23:58 (UTC)

(Anonymous) 2012-03-18 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
ayrt

Cheers. :)

This is what I thought too, but I find it so difficult explaining it to people in an eloquent way, as you have here. No one seems to want to listen to logic, so they respond with "omg embarassing" "JUST ACCEPT HE'S A DISGUSTING RACIST!"

And yeah, I definitely feel like parts have been taken out or paraphrased. The author even mentioned how long his answers were.

[identity profile] fierceawakening.livejournal.com 2012-03-18 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
"Racism? Bad. Acknowledging differences in cultural practices and mores? Not just good, but essential."

Yeah. I'm surprised people were bugged by that bit, because most of the time I hear "'Colorblindness' is a dangerous lie." But apparently if a white person says he's not colorblind, that doesn't fly either? IDEK.

The "'You shouldn't notice. Why are you noticing he's got a bomb and has a beard and is Muslim and wants to kill your family?"" one bugs me though. A lot.

My guess is it's supposed to be saying something like "We should notice that there's extremism in the Muslim world."

Which could be just that he's saying that we should study extremism and think about how it manifests in certain cultures. Which I think is... well, maybe fine if it's a recognition of cultural differences, but....

...it could be implying that he thinks Muslims are more likely to be extremists, or more violent, and I think that's getting onto shaky ground. Because Islamophobia is about the erroneous idea that "Our religions are peaceable; theirs tell you to strap bombs to yourself." And that might be what he's expressing.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-18 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
I thought he was maybe saying that it gets silly when you're doing something like talking about an act of terrorism done by a Muslim extremist while pretending you don't notice they're Muslim--just as you wouldn't talk about an act of terrorism by a Christian extremist while feeling you can't mention they're Christian.

[identity profile] jak-frostty.livejournal.com 2012-03-18 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
That's an interesting thought.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-18 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
Acknowledging differences in cultural practices and mores? Not just good, but essential.

Exactly. We must not only acknowledge differences but respect them. If not, the world would be a horrid homogeneous thing.