[ SECRET POST #1901 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1901 ⌋


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, it's the central qualifier. And 90% of the religious people I know don't want to hurt anyone. They don't even want to mix state and religion.

I can't say that the beliefs behind religion aren't true. I can say that organised religion is a historical product and that's it. I don't know the truth, so who am I to dispute other's right to believe what they want to?

[sandor051.livejournal.com]

Do you take the same approach to everything in life?

Yeah solipsism is hard to refute, but why are you giving religion special privilege?

[(Anonymous)]

I take that approach to many things in life. There are some things I believe in and I feel I know the truth about them. Religion is not one of them.

I give religion the same treatment I give to anything that is beyond my reach.Who am I to tell someone that Jesus is not the Messiah or that Moses was not chosen by God to free his people? I don't believe those things, but my non-believing is not better than anyone's belief. So I respect them and spend my time discussing other, more earthly issues.

[sandor051.livejournal.com]

Yes it is, because it's true (so far as anything is true).

And all issues re earthly issues. There thoughts on religion affect their behaviour which affects how they treat other people.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you kidding me? Seriously? Religious belief is one of the most damaging things in this country. It's why people aren't just against abortion, they're voting and passing laws that are kicking the underpinnings out of abortion in order to pave the path to make it illegal. Hell, they've managed to get a law passed requiring women having an abortion have a damned transvaginal sonogram wand stuck up their vagina--ie. state mandated rape before the abortion.

Religious belief is why QUILTBAG members can't get married and have problems adopting.

Religious belief is why atheists are considered the scum of the earth and to be untrutworthy even though most criminals are religious. Only 0.02% of atheists are criminals and in prison vs. 80% of religious believing criminals.

[(Anonymous)]

Which country?

[insanenoodlyguy.livejournal.com]

Yes. Because if there were no religion... that would solve... nothing. That would solve absolutely nothing.

You think religion is the only reason people hate each other? The only reason people have ever been dicks?

Your focus is too narrow. I can guarantee you that 99.99% of the shit in this world would remain in place. Only the justifications would change.

Oppression of x race? Evolution and Social Darwinism.

Oppression of X orientation? Eugenics and the continuation of biologically viable pairings.

Rape? Abuse? Murder... oh wait, these things happen right now every day with no religious pretense all the goddamn time.

And I hate to steal from south park, but we'd have factions warring over who had the "right" interpretation of science. Not to mention the inevitable advent of state/national religion: the worship of the unified peoples themselves.

You found an easy face. And it's not a false one, but you look at a label when the real cause of everything is our flawed nature. We are every bit the murderous little monkeys we started as, sentience just let us make up fancy new names and reason out reason for why we do what we do.

[sandor051.livejournal.com]

Good thing no one suggested religion was the sole problem.

Yeah no shit people can find other reasons, that doesn't stop the tremendously complex social zeitgeist that is the world of human experience and interaction being affected negatively by religion. And it doesn't mean that an elimination of 'magical thinking', wouldn't make the world a better place.

But to suggest that no one would ever change well,

a) what are you even doing arguing, everything is entirely unaffectable, you are committing an entirely pointless act by committing your sound and thunder to paper.

b) that is some top level misanthropy, and quite clearly not true.

[insanenoodlyguy.livejournal.com]

Except it wouldn't change our capacity for magical thinking at all. Just what we used that magical thinking for.

I never said change was impossible. Though it sure as hell wouldn't be easy and I doubt would ever be perfect.

And the Anon I responded to did rather strongly insinuate that religious belief was the problem, yes. not organized religions, or a particular religion, but religious belief itself.

[sandor051.livejournal.com]

That's not really true though. Accepting magical thinking and creating a society in which it is treated as the norm encourages it. Given it's not something to be encouraged this suggests that religion itself is problematic. I mean believing something that's not true, and then blinding yourself to people pointing this out is problematic no? One creates a better world by relentlessly questioning and justifying everything they say and believe, the minute you accept 'oh well I just feeel it you know', is the minute things go down hill.

And people are intensely malleable, look at how we've changed in every measurable way since even five hundred years ago?