[ SECRET POST #1901 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1901 ⌋


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that an 'outsider' can't make claims about which words you can or cannot use for yourself. It's ok for him to dislike rap music and to dislike it for that particular reason, but he should leave it alone.

I'm not sure about this bit though:
Similarly, I identify as queer or dyke and despite the historical connotations of those terms, it's okay for me to use them, because I'm a LGBTQ person reappropriating an offensive term. It is still offensive if a straight person calls me that, unless I've personally okayed it.

I agree that no one should be calling you those things unless you're ok with it. But he wasn't 'calling' anyone the n-word. He was quoting, I suppose. I had an English lit professor who taught a class on 'Beloved'. One of the themes is slavery and the n-word is used a lot. He would quote from the text so we could discuss it. Back home in Europe, no one batted an eye. In the US when he was a guest lecturer, he had someone come and tell him this was a terrible faux pas. The only reason no students had spoken up and no one really blamed him was because they knew he was foreign. When he told us this story, we were all shocked. We knew the n-word was bad, we would never call anyone that, but it was in the text.

I think it might be something like this.

[(Anonymous)]

I was only referring to the above comment and not the interview itself. I meant queer/dyke as another example of reappropriation and why it's okay for marginalized groups to use terms that have offensive connotations. I did not mean to imply that he would have used the n-word in any other way except saying "these songs use that particular term a lot".

The anon I was replying to made the assumption that "he doesn't think it's appropriate to use that word, considering its historical background" and if we proceed from there, I wanted to point out that reclaimed terms do not function the same way as they do in the previous context. I apologise my poor wording. My intention was never to say that him using the n-word in the interview was racist or mean-spirited (since it can be seen as a quote). I intended to simply give another example of reclaimed words and how they work, since I know little about the reappropriation of the n-word, whereas I have personal experience with terms like queer/dyke. I simply meant that someone calling me a dyke or a queer would be offensive, just as someone calling a PoC the n-word would be offensive, while it's fine for me to refer to myself as queer/dyke and a PoC to themselves as n-word. I didn't mean that his comment should be taken as that kind of an insult.

And yes, I've also had a class on Beloved in Europe and the n-word was used in no way offensively. So I agree with you completely!

[(Anonymous)]

You ever called anyone fat for any reason whatsoever? Plenty of people do it to me all the time. And I'm not fat because I overeat. It's a medical condition. Plenty of people (god how many!) presume to tell me how/why I should lose weight. Skinny/not sick people who've never been fat a day in their lives. My point is this: Plenty of people voice their opinions on subjects they have no personal experience with. I don't think Martin was being racists or homophobic, I think he was being what everyone else is today: opinionated on something he (maybe) shouldn't have an opinion on.

[(Anonymous)]

No, I most certainly do not. I've been called fat, though. And dyke and weirdo and ugly and queer, etc. etc. I don't call other people by slurs because it sucks. I know people do that out of ignorance. They don't always mean to be mean and sometimes they do. I have never once said that his comments are racist or homophobic. I've said they're ignorant and poorly worded. For example, in the comment you're replying to I said:
"My intention was never to say that him using the n-word in the interview was racist or mean-spirited (since it can be seen as a quote)."

I was simply trying to explain to anon why, if we assume that he doesn't like gangsta rap because he thinks the use of the n-word is inappropriate (which is the anon's assumption and the interview doesn't have to be read that way, but I am replying to anon's assumption), that's problematic because a person who doesn't belong to a particular marginalized group isn't in the place to say whether or not it's appropriate for that group to use reclaimed slurs. Still basing on anon's assumption that he expressed his dislike because he thought it to be inappropriate, it doesn't mean he'd be racist or homophobic (which I have never once said he'd be), it just means that he doesn't have a very good understanding of reappropriated slurs. Which is fine, but it is problematic. But perhaps he didn't mean it that way at all.