[ SECRET POST #1901 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1901 ⌋


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Comments

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

I don't know other belief system that is based on Revelation, to be honest. When it comes to politics, most people offer, well, political arguments. Religion is not like that.

I, personally, don't see the point in debating anyone's faith. Their actions? Sure. Their political views? Sure. But if someone tells me "I believe in God and His son Jesus", well, what can I say?

But, again, I don't think faith is such a big issue. I see religious institutions as I see any other institution. I respect people who believe and they respect me and that's it.

I also think the political environment is important in how I see things. As I said, most people reject the Church for all the crap they pulled in the last few decades so I don't think it is a threat.

[tigerdreams.livejournal.com]

For me, it's not just a matter of arguing the finer theoretical points of theology; it's that religious revelation is treated as a justification for other beliefs and actions that is just as valid as evidence-based reasoning -- if not more so, since it's okay to argue evidence-based reasoning, but religious "reasoning" is often treated as off-limits and unassailable. When a person's reasoning or justification for holding a position boils down to either "a feeling" or "supernatural intervention," I fail to see why their position should be given the same credibility as that of someone who has done actual research grounded in observable reality to support their position.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

I think we are talking about different things, then. When I say "discuss religion" I mean discuss the theological aspects of it which seems pointless. Most of what people think of when they think of religion is nothing but human rules and institutional decisions and that's open to analysis.

[tigerdreams.livejournal.com]

I think we are. I'm not talking about engaging in philosophical discussions of theology, debating a triune vs. unitarian God or the reality of transubstantiation or the virginity of Mary. I'm talking about the real-world implications of religious beliefs. I live in a country where, despite having no state religion and an explicit prohibition on government endorsement of any faith, religion and politics have become almost inextricably entangled, and there are huge segments of the population that view any deviation from the accepted religious norms as immoral. Not far from where I live, a girl sued to have a religious banner removed from her public school, and she was vilified by her entire community -- even her government representative called her an "evil little thing." Questioning the dominant religious paradigm is a difficult and even dangerous undertaking in many parts of my country, so I tend to be very aware of the way religious reasoning gets a free pass in a way that other reasoning does not enjoy. A pharmacist can refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control, and the response here is, "Oh, that's their religious belief, that's okay." A school district can have an epidemic of homophobic bullying that drives several kids to suicide, and the dominant concern among administrators is not stepping on the religious freedom of the bullies. That's what I mean when I talk about the privileged status of religious reasoning.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

We are definitely talking about different things, then. For me, to talk about religion is to talk about the belief part. The rest is human politics and I agree with everything you said.

I know things are getting... weird in the US, right?