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[ SECRET POST #1906 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1906 ⌋

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[Green Wing]

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[*NSYNC]

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[Supernatural]

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[2 Broke Girls]

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[How I Met Your Mother]

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[GCB]

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[Scrubs]

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[Brows Held High]

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[Dracula (1992)]

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[Game of Thrones]

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[His Dark Materials]

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[Game of Thrones]

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[Bored to Death]

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[Elder Scrolls: Skyrim]

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[Legend of Korra]

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[Psycho]

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[Third Star]

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[Stargate: Atlantis]

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[Parks and Recreation]

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[The Hunger Games, America's Next Top Model]

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18. http://i.imgur.com/HIv93.jpg
[Psycho]

For obvious reasons I don't think she was supposed to be a very positive character, but I think blaming her for the fact that Norman Bates turned out to be what he was is pretty off-base. Plenty of people "seem weird" but don't stab you to death in the shower, and he was certainly a person with his, um, own set of motivations in life who probably didn't need to be insulted to kill someone.

Edited 2012-03-22 23:03 (UTC)

She wasn't a good person, that's for sure, but I don't think stealing some money and being rude are reasons enough to "deserve" being killed.

And don't forget; she had decided to return the money...

I didn't remember that! Now I have even more problems to agree with this secret.

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fenm.livejournal.com - 2012-03-22 23:27 (UTC) - Expand

I don't remember her being so very condescending. I thought she made an obvious comment about professional help after she heard him (she thought) being verbally abused by his mother. He jumped to "put her in the madhouse" and ranted about people clucking their tongues etc. I don't know...you see someone's living in an abusive situation it doesn't seem condescending to suggest they should get out of it.

Happens in pretty much all horror films. Victims are made unlikeable so that we don't care that they die.

I think you were supposed to feel sorry for this character when she was murdered, however

Psycho really does the opposite. You don't know it's a horror movie until she gets killed. Before that Marion is the protagonist in a sympathetic situation.

That's not really a common thing in old horror films though. Most older horror films have protagonists that are set-up as interesting and likeable people who you don't want to die. Just think of flicks like Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, and even Psycho (the other protagonists were perfectly likeable).

Then in the late 90s, something happened and directors decided that their horror movies should have no redeemable characters so that audiences could root for the bad guys 100%

Yeah, I think what happened was all those franchises where the star was the killer and the murder methods were more important than the characters. So not scary!

the other protagonists were perfectly likeable

I think Marion was likeable despite some of the thing she did. Again, she realized her mistake and was going to return the money she stole. She just made the mistake of taking a shower first...

BTW, you want a real shocker: The original The Fog features a couple that barely know each other who have sex... AND SURVIVE.

Huh? She suggested that his crazy, abusive mother might be put in someone else's care. He's the one who assumed she meant a madhouse.

to be fair, she didn't really correct him. if someone started ranting at me like that, i'd be like "dude, i didn't mean that! i meant a freaking hospital or something!"

He was talking about hospitals. He considered hospital a pretty name for mad house.

She definitely didn't deserve what happened to her at all, but yeah, I thought she was more than a little rude in that scene. Of course, the film already established that she wasn't exactly the best person (she stole money from her employer after all), so she wasn't supposed to be perfect in any respect

I thought she was being a little cold and stand-off-ish because she got a creepy vibe from him, and also probably trying to keep her distance after the crime she pulled. But if I remember right, when he started talking about how he hated what his mother had become and hated her illness, she was very tentative about "wouldn't it maybe be better for her if you put her somewhere...?" and he was the one who was like "YOU MEAN A MADHOUSE?!" and the Imminent Danger violins started creeping in and Hitchcock moved the camera on Norman so there was one of those stuffed birds behind him with its beak pointing at his head, like to hint at us THE MOTHER IS HIM

and all of a sudden the shots of him got closer and lower-angled to make him seem bigger and more threatening and then they went from shooting Marion head-on to shooting her from above so she looked small and scared and and ~~this was the movie that taught me how to analyze movies sorry I have a lot of nerd feelings~~

anyway. Yeah, idk. I wanna watch this movie again now

This!

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Must rewatch NAOW!!!
:)

excellent commentary tho!!!

this is one of my favorite films, and now i'll be watching again and looking for these angles in these scenes. thanks for providing a new perspective!

Isn't that part of the point? She wasn't entirely likable and you weren't sure you were rooting for her to get away with the monOH HOLY GODDAMN HELL WHAT THE SHIT JUST HAPPENED SHE'S DEAD?! If she was too sympathetic, that wouldn't have been quite as shocking.

I think the shock comes mostly from the decision she made that night to return the money the next day and repay what she spent, though -- the audience has just been put back at least partially on her side by that decision. She's also clearly aware of the deep shit she'd be headed into by confessing, going off of her imagined scenarios and paranoia during the trip, but she's willing to take the punishment, and then REDEMPTION DENIED. Also, iirc, the shower is the only time that her guard's completely down -- given everything we know of her, she just shouldn't go down that easy!

Semi-related, but more of a side note, I'm always fascinated by the fact that Janet Leigh was advertised as/assumed to be the star of the movie when it first came out, and how that affected the audience reading and reactions; I've always wondered who her modern-day equivalent would be. Anne Hathaway? (Leigh was in quite a few movies around that time, with a variety of past roles, but none seem to have been as morally complex as Crane...)

Unfortunately for her, Marion didn't realize what genre of movie she was in before she started opining. =p

Anyway, wasn't at least part of his motivation for stabbing her not because he thought she was a bitch but because he had a boner for her that he imagined "mother" was jealous/disapproving of? It's been a while since I've seen the movie.

i never really got that she was being portrayed as a likeable or sympathetic person, anyway. it goes without saying that she didn't deserve in the slightest to die, but i felt that her death wasn't trying to inspire 'oh my god that poor woman' feelings, rather, bafflement and terror at the character of norman bates.

yay victim blaming

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