[ SECRET POST #1906 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1906 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Green Wing]


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03.
[*NSYNC]


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04.
[Supernatural]


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05.
[2 Broke Girls]


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06. [repeat]


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07.
[How I Met Your Mother]


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08.
[GCB]


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09.
[Scrubs]


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10.
[Brows Held High]


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11.
[Dracula (1992)]


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12.
[Game of Thrones]


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13.
[His Dark Materials]


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14.
[Game of Thrones]


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15.
[Bored to Death]


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16.
[Elder Scrolls: Skyrim]


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17.
[Legend of Korra]


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18.
[Psycho]


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19.
[Third Star]


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20.
[Stargate: Atlantis]


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21.
[Parks and Recreation]


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22.
[The Hunger Games, America's Next Top Model]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 025 secrets from Secret Submission Post #272.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[antialiasis.livejournal.com]

It's about how God lied to the angels and everyone

...a notion which is completely antithetical to atheism, because it says God exists. God existing but being kind of a dick isn't atheism.

I mean, you're right that His Dark Materials was intended as an atheist story, and I even rather like it (aside from the Will/Lyra romance), but as an atheist it's always annoyed me terribly that it's touted as atheistic fiction when, I repeat, God exists in it. Anti-Catholic, definitely, but you cannot possibly make the point that God probably doesn't exist by writing a book series about how actually he does but Christianity happens to be wrong about him and the Catholic church is corrupt.

(I don't even think the series ought to have been atheistic; I think the God concept is fascinating and that fiction has tons of things to explore about it. It just bugs me how people keep calling a book series where God clearly and unambiguously exists atheistic and not seeing the contradiction.)

[karuvapatta.livejournal.com]

Er, no? There's no God in HDM, the Authority is simply the oldest of the angels who later claimed he created the rest of them. Unless the Dust represents God in some way.

[othellia.livejournal.com]

Thank you. I was starting to think that maybe I had read a different series of books.

[inversecalico.livejournal.com]

It's been years and years since I read the series, but I remember thinking that to me the Dust read as an analog for God. I just wasn't sure whether or not Pullman had intended that. (That was also about the time scientists were making discoveries about dark matter, so double the super coolness!)

[mollywobbles867.livejournal.com]

I see the Dust as more the dust of the universe, all rooted very much in science.

[inversecalico.livejournal.com]

::shrug:: I was 16 or 17 at the time I read them, and I'd grown up in the Bible Belt. Everything was theistic, whether or not it wanted to be.

[dentedsky.livejournal.com]

It's been years for me too but I was under the impression that Dust was sin...?

[spicandspan89.livejournal.com]

Not quite. That was the position of the Magisterium (basically the Catholic Church in Lyra's universe). Dust is more like... sentient matter. It settled on children at puberty since that's when they begin to mature and become fully conscious.

[dentedsky.livejournal.com]

Ahhh that's right.

[mollywobbles867.livejournal.com]

Thank you! I thought I had taken hallucinogens or something.

[spicandspan89.livejournal.com]

MTE. God doesn't really exist in the books, although the Authority masquerades as him. However, I also interpreted Dust as being a representation of God (except that Dust couldn't care less what shenanigans sentient beings get up to).

[strangetwn-god.livejournal.com]

That's making a big assumption that the use of god in HDM is scripture and not a figurative or literary device (ala Lucretius, On the Nature of Things) or satire (Job, A Comedy of Justice or Good Omens).