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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-04-05 06:37 pm

[ SECRET POST #1920 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1920 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[identity profile] duae.livejournal.com 2012-04-07 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
For the second part, no, we shouldn't have slaves. But I was thinking of Hermione's attempts to force House Elves to take clothing in order to free them against their will. There's a huge difference between offering someone the opportunity to be free, and forcing your beliefs on them that they'll only be happy if they're like you.

I was also thinking of recent debate how when Muslim women in the US chose to dress modestly sometimes they get mocked and ridiculed because they shouldn’t choose to follow such anti-feminist moral codes. And they’re pressured to conform and bare skin the same as ‘free’ Christian women do. Freedom is being free to choose, not a differently decorated cage. Tell them that YOU know better and YOU know they’ll be happier in a bikini top and hot pants and if they’re not happy it’s just because of cultural brainwashing is just as arrogant and controlling.

[identity profile] captain-loki.livejournal.com 2012-04-07 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Freedom is being free to choose, not a differently decorated cage.

And this is very true. However, the parallels you have drawn between the way someone chooses to dress and an entire group of people's subjugation is inherently flawed, though I understand the position you are trying to take. It is one thing to say that 'the way I dress is what I believe is morally correct', and it would indeed be wrong for someone to say 'no, happiness is a bikini top and hot pants.'

However, it has less to do with what House Elves is believed to be morally righteous and the actions and the morality of Wizards. It would be unheard of for a House Elf to ask for wages (as is obvious by Dobby) which would make it next to impossible for one to seek what we might deem as fair employment. But fair wages and benefits isn't even the most reprehensible aspect of the House Elves slavery.

Let's go back to your example. It is one thing to allow women to choose for themselves what they feel is appropriate dress, it is another to allow a group of women to continue to live under the tyranny of men, as the House Elves do. They have been basically bred to believe that not only is it their only goal and desire in life to serve men, but that if they do not do it correctly they have to hurt themselves because they failed. Many get punished by their masters, which is terrible enough, but the fact that they have been taught that they have to inflict self-harm and not only that they have to but that they *should want to* because of something as ridiculous as letting a dinner burn, is disgusting. It's not even comparable, in my opinion, to your example of dress codes.

It is one thing to say that House Elves love their pillow cases and no wages, it is another to say Wizards are in the okay because they love it, it is merely perpetuating the belief it is okay to treat them horrifically because they have been taught by Wizards that it is their desires. Do you not see the inherent flaw in this? It's as though an entire race of beings have all developed a genetic memory of the stockholm syndrome.

So yes, we should let people choose for themselves what they believe to is morally righteous for them, however, that can't happen if the group in question is too uneducated to understand that what it is being done to them is *wrong*.