[ SECRET POST #1925 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1925 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[captain-loki.livejournal.com]

You are absolutely right, and it is absolutely horrific, and I don't think anyone would decide 'yay killing' except for the obvious handful of sociopaths bound to crop up. They were clearly brainwashed from early childhood, and that part of it makes their situation way worse than the others for the reasons you've laid out. But at the same time, it's precisely because of that, that the OP's original argument that you can't be a good person if you kill in the Arena is, imo, faulty.

For the others it is all about self-defense, whether you are actively seeking out the others and killing them or simply at the wrong end of a knife and having to kill or be killed. But for the Careers you could make the same argument, they have to kill either a.) more so because they need to appear to be the hardened soldiers or simply b.) because they have been taught, brainwashed, whatever you want to call it into believing that it is what they must do

So, I am tired and that might not have made sense. Basically my point is that the normal rules of morality do not exist in the walls of the Arena, they are essentially presumed dead before they enter, any life spent until the victor is declared is basically gravy. The way I'd see it is, if it isn't me that's taking that kill shot, it's someone else, and it might as well be me.

[azelmaroark.livejournal.com]

It made sense, and I definitely agree. I didn't even bother mentioning the Careers to OP because if I can't even convince them about the other victors I know I'm not gonna get anywhere with the likes of Clove And Friends. I don't know if I'd call them "good people" (don't like that term anyway), more morally-blank people. I don't think they're secretly weeping inside for their victims or anything, but I think the casual way they kill is just as much evidence that they didn't choose this and can't help what they're made into.

I'd say that morality doesn't apply in the Arena and take it a step further and say that morality doesn't apply to Careers. They did not consent to what was done to them and can't really be held responsible for what they either don't understand or had as little choice in as the other Tributes. (Just try saying "Nah, I changed my mind about volunteering" to your trainer and see how well that goes.)

[(Anonymous)]

IIRC, there's lots of people who volunteer per year in those districts to the point where they have elaborate rules about who gets to go when there are lots of volunteers. It would probably be easy to "accidentally" screw up that process.

or had as little choice in as the other Tributes. (Just try saying "Nah, I changed my mind about volunteering" to your trainer and see how well that goes.)

You know what? It would suck to tell your trainers you changed your mind, but they wouldn't literally kill you. Your chances aren't raised because they're poor enough to need more food.

Don't get me wrong, these very amoral (rather than immoral) characters are very interesting, but in the moment, yeah, they have more choice than the other tributes.

[azelmaroark.livejournal.com]

I see it completely differently, and I've explained why in probably much more detail than you ever wanted here. (http://themockingjay.livejournal.com/450940.html) I don't think my interpretation is the only interpretation, and I don't necessarily think you're wrong, but I feel that I've made a decent argument in the link that, however you see it, there isn't a lot of choice for the Careers, especially D2.