[ SECRET POST #1946 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1946 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think if it's subverting anything it's Sansa's idealized view of knights and chivalry--how the people who helped her were the drunken disfigured guy and the hideous dwarf, while the charming prince and beautiful queen only sought to torture her and the other knights beat her at Joffrey's whim.

In terms of what it's supposed to be, GRRM, Benioff, Rory and Sophie have all viewed Sandor and his relationship with Sansa in a sympathetic light.

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

Eh.... I think that is one of the subversions going on here. But it's not the only one. I think the idea of the beast's love for the beauty ~healing~ the beast is being subverted because Sandor is just as fucked up as ever after everything with Sansa. He's still a drunk brute.

[headtriphoney.livejournal.com]

1. I agree that SanSan is a subversion
2. I disagree that Sandor hasn't changed at all. We don't know for *sure* but I suspect that he's doing a lot of healing and personal introspection on the Quiet Isle. I think his interactions with Sansa and Arya affected him deeply and made him question his entire life. The Hound is dead, after all, and Sandor Clegane is at peace.

It's an homage to Beauty and the Beast, but instead of the Beast magically changing because of the love of Beauty, the Beast (this is all inference on my part, stating right up front) changes because his interactions with the Beauty make him realize he's a total shit. (Speaking as someone who adores Sandor...lbr, he's a shit.)

Just my two cents anyway. And, uh, thanks for linking me? :)

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

Re: #2, I agree that he's probably doing a lot of healing and introspection on the Quiet Isle. I wasn't really cklear in my initial comment, but my point was that it's not the love of Sansa that magically heals him. He's still a pretty gross person after he meets her and after he leaves King's Landing. He's doing his healing on his own.

[headtriphoney.livejournal.com]

Yes, exactly - I completely agree. And honestly, I'd hate it if it were otherwise.

Dude gotta work out his own issues.

[sara-rojo.livejournal.com]

I actually think meeting Arya changed him a lot more than meeting Sansa. He identifies Arya and sees himself in her. It's after meeting her that he changes, assuming he is the man on the Quiet Isle. Personally, I'm more intrigued by his reunion with assasin-Arya than with same ol' Sansa.

[headtriphoney.livejournal.com]

I think it was both. Sansa held up a mirror to who he was, what he'd become (almsot a monster like Gregor, despite the white cloak). He felt guilty for not being able to protect her, for "standing there in [his] white cloak while [he] watched them beat her".

Arya, I think, reminded him of where he came from. She's headed down the same path he already trod. They both suffered severe trauma in their youth, and he saw the anger and the hate building in her.

So it's a bit of both.

And I don't see Sansa as being the "same ol'" girl. I'd be interested in an Arya reunion, but I don't see it happening. I think their arc is finished.

[sara-rojo.livejournal.com]

But there is no "despite the white cloak". He doesn't believe in the white cloak or anything it "means". It's true she made him feel things, but it wasn't her actions, it was her being there, her situation. Whereas with Arya, it truly was her actions and experiences as well as her situation, that made him think.

The curious thing is that the Hound's arc is the one that looks finished. Both sisters are still out there and very much in the game, but the Hound is kinda removed and sans POV around; his situation is one of contemplation but we'll never know his inner thoughts first hand. It's not unthinkable that he could come back, but it'd be a bit forced. and besides, Martin, get rid of some characters please this is starting to get out of hand

[(Anonymous)]

George has hinted that Sandor will be back.

[sara-rojo.livejournal.com]

He also said we'd only have three more POVs in DwD, and...yeah. I am in love with ASOIAF, but I think it's getting out of his hands.