[ SECRET POST #1962 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1962 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Ferris Bueller's Day Off]


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03.
[Community]


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04.
[Big Time Rush]


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05.
[Avengers]


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06.
[The Decemberists]


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07.
[Tim Minchin]


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08.
[The Lizzie Bennet Diaries]


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09.
[Community]


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10.
[The Hunger Games]


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11.
[Nell: The Day Before]


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12.
[Devil Survivor]


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13.
[Homeland]


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14.
[Pippin]


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15.
[Portal 2 & Left 4 Dead]


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16.
[The Avengers, 30 Rock, Psych]


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17.
[FFX]


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18.
[Mad Men]


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19.
[Legend of Korra]


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20.
[Faust: Love of the Damned]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 020 secrets from Secret Submission Post #280.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

10. http://i48.tinypic.com/2zqena9.gif
[The Hunger Games]

[(Anonymous)]

I'd love to be a gamemaker tbh.
The interface looked so cool!

[kelincihutan.livejournal.com]

You would really enjoy the job, and go along with it for that reason, even if you thought the Games were disgusting/bad/wrong?

...Maybe that's not how you intended this to come off, but I'm side-eyeing this one pretty hard.

[(Anonymous)]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

[kelincihutan.livejournal.com]

I majored in psychology. I know the studies. But these things do not constitute excuses. Nor, in this case, do they apply. OP is describing a scenario where they are not only aware of the damage they would be inflicting on other people, but they would hold the authority in the situation, and they would continue to inflict harm on the tributes. And they would do it not because they felt bound to obey some other, higher authority figure, but because they liked the job itself without considering the results as part of that equation. Milgram's subjects kept going because they felt the authority figure was "more responsible" than they were. OP is saying they would keep going, knowing they were the responsible party, 'cause they were having too much fun not to. ...There's just no defending that.

[(Anonymous)]

But once the OP is injected into that situation, well, there are authority figures to contend with, and even THEY are punished if they don't follow through- remember the Nightlock berries.

I think what I meant to be taken away by linking that wiki link is that good people can knowingly do evil, without necessarily being evil themselves.

[kelincihutan.livejournal.com]

I know what you meant. I do not agree it applies in this case. Nor do I think we should equivocate about good people doing evil, even if they didn't mean to, or aren't bad people. They still did evil. Whether it's a good person or a bad person doing it, it doesn't really matter. That is not something to be justified. It's something to be guarded against.

[(Anonymous)]

I do agree with you ethically (that it's something to be guarded against), but I also have to admit, if I lived in an oppressive regime like that, where I knew my and my family's life would be vastly improved by that kind of job...

I'd probably take it. I probably wouldn't sleep well for a long time, though. (Until I figured out a way of killing the trackers in the arms of a few participants to allow them to escape.)

[(Anonymous)]

OP

You would really enjoy the job, and go along with it for that reason, even if you thought the Games were disgusting/bad/wrong?


That's what I meant. You read it right.

[honeysuckle-raw.livejournal.com]

..... epic fail of the leap in logic variety.

[azelmaroark.livejournal.com]

... But the Gamemakers didn't select kids for the Games. They made shit in the arena to kill the kids. That seems like a bit of a different job description to me. =P

[ooh-mrdarcy.livejournal.com]

I'd love to have your job tbh.

[saya22.livejournal.com]

I'd say you'd never do it if it actually happened irl and you'd have to arrange for those kids' deaths, but I've watched too many scientific and historical documentaries about otherwise good people doing heinous things because they're under orders to really believe what I'm saying.

[shinyhappypanic.livejournal.com]

how did you come across that job, OP?

[(Anonymous)]

...I simply applied for it. It's lousy pay and lousy hours, but in a way it's a job like any other.

[azelmaroark.livejournal.com]

... FTR, in my head even the Games techs are paid very handsomely. They have pretty awesome vacation hours, too.

/why did I think about this?

[(Anonymous)]

If you had been born in that universe chances are good that you'd be in one of the districts, living in poverty and starving.

[(Anonymous)]

Good thing it's fictional then, isn't it!

[ncc-gqmf.livejournal.com]

I also worked in reality TV (editing room stuff) and, yeah, I have to admit there's a chance I would have wound up as one too.

For the disbelieving: remember, the Gamemakers live in the Capitol, a society which lauds and encourages the Games. Would you necessarily dissent if you'd grown up believing they were good?

[drunken-clowns.livejournal.com]

I think most people would take a job as a Gamemaker if they grew up in the Capitol and had the chance. You're conditioned to think that these people tried to betray you and they owe you now, and for however long you've been alive, you've seen the Games on TV as many years as you've been alive and it's always been a fun, festive thing that nobody says a word against. Hell, you probably think that all the kids are willing participants, and they're signing up to kill each other for the glory and attention. If they die, it's not "they were murdered by the state," it's "they were stupid and thought they could win, but they weren't up to task." Not only is the society in Panem constructed so that the people at the bottom can't ever really help themselves, it's constructed so that the people on the top can't ever understand the people on the bottom need and deserve help. It's scary shit, but that's the point.

I don't really understand where you'd get that from reality shows, though. There's a huge difference between forcing children to fight to the death and enabling adults to choose to make fools of themselves in front of an audience. Even if you think reality TV is horrible, it ain't that kind of horrible.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it's not that horrible, but it totally is using people. Things like Temptation Island? They are totally deliberately causing conflict. But even more tame shows - they basically go out to find people who really want to be on TV and then have them share much more info than they wanted to.

[drunken-clowns.livejournal.com]

Maybe that was true at the start of reality TV, but I think by now anyone interested enough in reality TV to seriously apply to be on it knows that those shows are not nice. Even people with the bare minimum of knowledge about those shows are aware that the crew tries to push the contestants into drama, and that there's a ton of editing, and that it's more about a good story than about what actually goes on. I'm not sure what the informed consent process for those shows are (and I think they should be pretty extensive if they're already not) but there are definitely people who'd be willing to look bad for the chance at getting famous. Look at people who try to be internet celebrities- there's pretty much no external editing going on, and they can make themselves look just as bad.