[ SECRET POST #2000 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2000 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 110 secrets from Secret Submission Post #286.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[stainless]

How do you mean that exactly? "Gay people don't write slash?" "Gay people don't read slash?" "Gay men don't?" "Whether or not gay people write or read slash, erotica is not real life?"

Because if the criticism is that most writers of slash are not gay men, okay. But it's always seemed a little heterocentric to me to assume everyone is straight.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol, serious reading comprehension fail.

[stainless]

*tilts head*

Sorry, can't respond to that (or to countess_k) until (both of) you are a wee bit more specific here.

[(Anonymous)]

There's many ways of reading that comment get off your high horse.

[(Anonymous)]

Perhaps 'Not all slash writing involves gay characters'? The 'character name/character name' convention is used for het pairings too. Even though 'slash' is often used to differentiate m/m from m/f or f/f pairings, technically it's all slash.

[stainless]

Ah. I've always heard people use "slash" (and/or "fem(me)slash") to refer specifically to gay pairings and "het" to refer to straight ones. So I thought the commenter was saying something like "slash fic is not like real life." But I couldn't tell exactly what feature of real life she was referring to, hence my question.

[(Anonymous)]

She might well be. That was just the first thing that came to mind.

And you might get different definitions if you ask a different person...my understanding is that there's been quite a bit of debate and confusion over the terminology. Typically though, you're right, when most people say 'slash' they mean m/m.

[(Anonymous)]

Character name/character name is used for both, but in this day I can't imagine someone using the term "slash" to refer to a non-gay pairing. I vaguely remember the definition applying to all pairings once, but it was way back when I was a kid. I can't recall the last time I've seen someone, in any fandom, use it for a het pairing.

(I don't mean to say that you don't see it happen, anon. Just that I doubt it's a common occurrence, so it makes sense that people would be confused by the term being applied to non-gay relationships).

[veronica_rich]

No. It refers to same-sex pairings. This has come up before, and it's been answered before. You can obviously think what you want, but I can think sand is tasty, too. It's not, but I can think it.

[countess_k]

I meant I've read gay erotica and I've read slash and while *some* slash is close in depicting sexual interactions between gay characters most of it is not. It exists in a fantasy realm that includes self lubricating holes and weeping participants.

[(Anonymous)]

...Are we talking about the same gay erotica here because girl..Gay erotica is not much better sry2say.

[stainless]

I haven't really seen the self-lubricating anuses thing unless it's in stuff being sporked on communities like weepingcock. :-)

But then, I am in a fandom where fanon makes just about everyone hermaphroditic, so maybe we're guilty of something similar by just giving the dudes vaginas.

*shrug*

The crying thing though I'm torn about. On the one hand, I do think that some fics get gooshy and *~*~*emotional*~*~* in unrealistic (or very unsexy) ways. And there's a definite preponderance of tears in yaoi -- I'd say I've seen less in slashfic, personally, but I do think some people are fans of both so there's probably some cross-pollination.

And I have heard some things that give credence to the idea that women actually do cry more. I've heard some trans men say they cry less when on testosterone, and some trans women say estrogen made them more prone to weep when emotional than they used to be. So I'll even grant that there's a biological element that would make men less prone to tears.

But even given all that, sometimes when I hear "men cry too much in these stories" I still look askance. Because it's also a cultural thing to say that men don't cry -- and a cultural thing to look down on men deemed too feminine. And what's crying a sign of? Too much femininity.

Which leaves me torn. Because if it's "You're a girl, so you write your men like girls. You need to expand your imaginative horizons a bit so you can write men more realistically" I'm okay with that. But if it's "Men don't cry like that, jesus!" then it starts to shade a bit to me into judgments that make me uncomfortable.

So... for me personally, sometimes it's complicated.

[arcadiaego]

I have *never* seen the self lubricating holes thing. Seriously, I've been doing this since 1999 what am I doing *wrong*? (Or right!)

[stainless]

I think the self-lubing anus is rarer than many people describe it as being.

Now, fic full of horribly unfortunate substances used as lube, or people using no lube without mention of consequence... all that's another matter entirely.

[(Anonymous)]

I have seen in the horrifically underage yaoi pairings. Like, stereotypically uke/seme pairings that abound in anime fanfic and have spread to other fandoms sporadically by young girls (or, less commonly, boys) fascinated by sex, both irl and in fic.

It is very rare, but I've seen it. And it has always been the least of the horrors in the stories I've seen it in.

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