[ SECRET POST #2007 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2007 ⌋

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Comments

[fenm]

If this makes me a feminist, there's something wrong with this world.

What's wrong with this world is that it's turned "feminist" into such a bad word that even people who are feminist (like you) don't want to say they are.

[(Anonymous)]

Because it's saying that when I say "humans" are equal, I'm automatically meaning males and females are equal, when that's clearly not what I said. I could be putting people into a lot of different categories. If this had been a secret about racism, I could be talking about races, but here people are forcing me to take a label I clearly did not state. In most cases, I choose not to use labels at all because I don't believe in putting people into categories.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you a teenager, by any chance?


Because let me tell you, with any luck you're going to grow out of this embarrassing ~but I don't believe in labels~ aversion toward the idea of civil rights movements and social justice.

Although to be fair, there are at least a few childish adults that never do. They remain an embarrassment for the rest of their lives, until they finally actually grow up.

[(Anonymous)]

No.

Also, did you notice that I called myself a female? It's not like I'm against all labels. On the other hand, if someone doesn't want to label their own gender, I believe that they have the right not to. If they don't think they're male or female, they don't have to look through the dictionary and every archive available to find a label that fits themselves, and no one has the right to force them to take one.

I don't mind being called childish for that, I guess. That's one label I'll take.

[stainless]

Thank you, this. People don't have to claim labels they don't want.

It's not rocket science.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh well, I'm not white or cis then... What privilege?

[fritzier]

i am so late but that didnt even have anything to do with the above comment

people can label themselves if they want to

people can not label themselves if they want to

why are you even... bringing privilege into this... because labels don't apply to race

[(Anonymous)]

That is not at all what the comment you were responding to was talking about though.

[fuchsiascreams]

Totally agree with this. This reminds me a LOT of people telling me things like, "WELL UNLESS YOU _________, YOU ARE NOT BISEXUAL". Like, I'm pretty sure I have every right to identify myself with whatever labels I want, and you do not have the right to tell me it is wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

Most times when someone calls themselves a Feminist I want to run in the other direction.

It's not that I don't share the goal of equality for everyone but to be honest many outspoken Feminist I read about in papers/watched on talkshows etc. and the ones on the Internet are kinda scary people who end up so focused on women issues that they forget that other people (even men) have problems generated by society as well.

I'm not against feminism but I don't want to be associated with it because it's new advocates seem to be a bunch of crazy people (at least where I live).

[(Anonymous)]

I'm trying to determine if you're of the "ahhh scary manhating bitches" persuasion or not. I feel like the way you answer this question might help: Do you believe that suggesting male privilege exists, and that saying all men have male privilege, is 'focusing too much on women's issues to the degree that one is forgetting men have problems too'?

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I think the problem (and I want to point out here that this has only ever happened to me on the internet, and I've yet to hear such bullshit from people who call themselves feminist that I've actually talked to in person) is with the latter part. Does male privilege exist? Absolutely. All kinds of privilege do exist. But more often or not anytime I hear that word being used, it's used to exclude or wielded like a sword. I think saying everybody has a certain advantage is simply not true, the individual experience is simply too varied. I'm not going to start tossing out anecdotes or examples here, but just because an advantage exists for one group doesn't mean everybody in said group actually gets to use that advantage.

"You may not be able to comprehend this issue like somebody on the other end of it would because it's not your experience" is the sort of thing I've heard in real life. I can accept that.

"You have privilege, anything you say (including things that are not directly related to issues pertaining to that privilege such as pointing out how horrible I'm being to a third party) is invalid, you scum" is the tone I tend to find online. So I can see where somebody might be wary when they hear the term "feminist" especially in certain online circles.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think you understand what privilege means.

[diet_poison]

You must not understand how it's often used in online discussions (regardless of what it really means).

[(Anonymous)]

It's worth noting that most of these men's issues generated by society that you are referring to only even exist because of women's issues.

You're a gay man? You're degrading yourself by having sex like a woman. You want to cry? Don't be a sissy girl. You can't catch a ball? You're not enough of a man. You want to be a fashion designer? That's for women. You're unfairly accused of child molestation? It's more likely that you did because women are subhuman caretaking machines incapable of doing harm to children. You don't want to have to take on the dangerous jobs that might kill you? Well, someone has to, and women aren't able.

It's all connected in the great Circle of Bullshit.

[fuchsiascreams]

I think it's really, really, really inappropriate and wrong to suggest that a person being discriminated against is only ever experiencing it because the root issue is hatred towards women, not hatred towards sexuality, race, religion, etc. Like, I'm PRETTY sure that some asshole calling my dad a nigger and saying that he should go back to Africa to chase gazelles has nothing to do with women (though I noticed that you purposely avoided this topic, I suppose because you couldn't think of a reason why being racist against a person of color is ACTUALLY just being sexist against a woman in a really clever disguise). I feel like you're suggesting that peoples' experiences with discrimination are just plain incorrect and, really, why should a gay person be fighting for gay rights? They should REALLY be fighting for womens' rights and then all of their problems will go away!

Ever heard of a little thing called 'intersectionality' before? The Plight of Women =/= the plight of every single minority group ever.

[(Anonymous)]

That's not what the anon you replied to said at all.

I realize the anon they were responding to may have been talking about what you're talking about, but it's obvious the anon you were replying to was referring to situations where men suffer because of sexism.

[fuchsiascreams]

I probably responded to the wrong anon, then. I do that pretty often.

[diet_poison]

...misfire?