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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-07-01 03:19 pm

[ SECRET POST #2007 ]


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(Anonymous) 2012-07-01 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I would say those still fall under the same things.

Taking money from the rich and making the divide smaller doesn't mean that they're no longer rich; what I mean is people wanting the rich to be as poor as they are out of spite. Which helps nothing, frankly. In the other example, giving the oppressed "equal privilege to be heard" doesn't mean you have to take away anybody else's privilege to be heard and make them completely silent. Only give the oppressed the privilege, too.

(Anonymous) 2012-07-01 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
But you kind of have to take away a bit from those who have a lot in order for other people to have some?

I get what you're saying about sometimes people just seem to want to make others suffer out of spite because of what they have suffered themselves - and honestly, I can understand that sentiment, although I don't think it's healthy or moral to actually endeavour to bring about that suffering or devote a great deal of time to fantasizing about it - but I don't think it's a clear dichotomy between "we can all have some!" and "I didn't have any so you shouldn't have any either, fuck you!!!"

If someone has everything, then of course they're going to have to lose some of that in order for others to have some. And a big part of oppression and privilege is that it's defined by havers and have-nots. Getting rid of the category of have-not kind of by default gets rid of the category of havers - because if everyone's a haver it can't be a category anymore, since a category can only be defined by being different from something else. If there's nothing else for it to be different from, it can't be a category. If that makes sense.

There was once a really awesome article I read that explained how the identity of white is built on not being a person of colour, and how in order to destroy racism in some ways the whole identity of whiteness has to be destroyed. I'll see if I can find it and post it later tonight when I have access to my bookmarks.

Obviously, though, that can't really be applied to feminism because there's a lot more to gender identity than privileged group vs oppressed group... although it is a big part of it, I'm sure at least some people would argue... this is always the problem with arguing this kind of stuff, there are so many different trains of thought regarding everything. Ahhh.