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fandomsecrets2012-07-01 03:19 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2012-07-01 03:19 pm
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Eh, I think it's more bizarre that anyone would object to it. I mean... why, other than bad connotations?
Besides, it's often used as a wake-up call for the people who go "Ew feminists", not to literally label them. It's used to tell people "If you believe women and men should be treated equal, you're a feminist. That's it, no obligation to march or burn bras".
I mean, if you're (general you) that worried, nobody can "force" you to accept that term, right? It has no weight when a feminist calls you a feminist if you're that much against it, so I don't understand why it's supposed to be such a horrible thing either.
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Well, in my personal case it annoys me because I left the movement (because I really didn't like some people's behavior, not because I decided sexism is awesome) and it feels really erasing to read that that's somehow impossible to do.
But beyond that, I personally believe that we all get to label or refrain from labeling ourselves as we see fit. I think that others insisting that we accept labels is a violation of personal autonomy. (A minor one, but a very annoying one, considering that it seems to me that one of the goals of feminism is or at least should be that more people around the world respect women's autonomy.)
I also think "You're one of us, like it or not!" is a spectacularly bad way to handle the problem that feminism has bad PR. That's one of the reasons I left the movement. Not this specific "I'm calling you either a feminist or a misogynist" thing, but the tendency among some feminists to circle the wagons when criticized, rather than bothering to think about why other people might not feel they belong.
And I've known a lot of women who felt they didn't really belong (and, obviously, been one of those women myself.) Here's a list, some of which I am and most of which I'm not: Trans women. Women of color. Queer femmes. Kinky women. Going back in time a bit, butch women too. (I think there are still whiffs of this one, personally, but it's definitely not as strong as it once was.) Sex workers.
No, I don't fit into many of these categories. But I think it's my place as a decent person (I won't say "as an ally" as I think it runs deeper than that) to know and understand where these people might be coming from. And I do think that, yes, even looking at how others are treated might be a valid reason for someone to sadly relinquish a label until others behave.
But instead of recognizing these reasons, feminists often insist that those who have these concerns are either in denial or must be misogynists/"antifeminists" (I often wonder these days what that word is supposed to mean. I think we intended it to mean "people who support the oppression of women through word and deed," but far too often it turned out to parse as "people we want to insult.") That behavior bothers me.