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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-07-10 06:14 pm

[ SECRET POST #2016 ]


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(Anonymous) 2012-07-11 01:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Also maybe more importantly, biology does not fucking equal gender. Just because a guy gets pregnant it DOES NOT MAKE HIM A WOMAN. Anymore than a trans* guy stops being a guy if he chooses to get pregnant.

I'm pretty sure biological gender is determined by which party provides the ovum, regardless of who carries the young (see seahorses). So in a/o omegas are females.

As for gender, 99% of fics has them socially conditioned to bear young and be submissive to the alphas, deeming them unable to perform certain jobs based on their alignment, socialising them to stay home and bear young, which parallels the conditioning of women rather aptly. A trans guy is still a guy, an omega is not.

If that's your kink, power to you, all I see is a woman with a penis being put in her place and justly dominated by her master.

(Anonymous) 2012-07-11 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT

Biological gender is way more complicated than that, or any woman who was infertile would not be biologically female.

And a man who is an omega is still a man, even if he's conditioned to play what we think of as "women's roles", which we think of that way because real world gender politics is so fucked up. When I look at a fantasy world where gender does not culturally define submissiveness, I don't see it as a commentary on women. I see it as a commentary on what it would be like if women weren't the ones in that position of collective powerlessness. And I like it.

I don't read omegas as "women with penises"; I wouldn't like it if I did. So I guess we see these things differently, and that's fine.

(Anonymous) 2012-07-12 03:06 pm (UTC)(link)
It's really not: the definition of female is "the sex of an organism which produces the ova." Infertility has many, many causes and manifests in different ways, and I'm pretty sure not having ova is one of them, but even if the reproductive cells were gone, the reproductive organs would be there, in some form.

My problem is that I can't see what makes the omegas men anymore. I'm a fan of mpreg, so it's not that I have "lolwhut, gets pregnant = female" goggles on, it's more that in all the fics I have read I couldn't see what precisely made them men, as opposed to differently shaped women.

(Anonymous) 2012-07-12 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not going to argue with you about the characteristics of biological sex. Even being biologically female in the sense you mean doesn't make someone a woman. If a person self-identifies as a woman, then she's a woman. I'm not going to argue that.