[ SECRET POST #2016 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2016 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It is purposefully creating distance from the real world idea that female=submissive/born to breed/etc. [...] It divorces the idea of a class of people who are put in that fucked up position from gender.

I disagree. First of all, biologically the definition of a female is "the sex which produces stationary ova," which is (I presume, this is very rarely explained) what omegas do, which is also the reason they are subjugated. Thus the 'verse doesn't divorce itself from strict gender politics, it merely creates a third gender (and not even that, sometimes - there are omegaverses in which there are no women, period) and subjugates it, in which case I can't help but get a little skeeved out at the author's treatment of the childbearing class. My general question is therefore how do you differentiate between omegas and women?

If it's properly labelled, cool. Sadly, I've come across a few fics in which there was the non-con label, and the poor omega suffered through some pretty horrific abuse with his alpha, who then got overthrown and the new alpha pretty much did the same thing, only with less beatings and sleaziness, and voilà, magical happy ending. Which may be me complaining about the quality of writing.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't define "woman" as "possessing primary female sex characteristics." I define it as "being a sentient being who identifies as a woman." There are definitely a/b/o fics that get into dirty talk and verbal humiliation along the lines of "like a woman" or descriptions of "manpussy", and I'm not really into that because it's enforcing the shitty gender dynamics from our world on one where they don't have to exist. But for me that's not inherent in the trope, and in my experience it's much more prevalent in mpreg fic that isn't a/b/o.

there was the non-con label, and the poor omega suffered through some pretty horrific abuse with his alpha, who then got overthrown and the new alpha pretty much did the same thing, only with less beatings and sleaziness, and voilà, magical happy ending

This is a really good point, and I agree it can be hard to tell whether an author is condoning the second alpha's behavior as non-abusive. Because obviously it is abusive, and that's worth acknowledging. In the only a/b/o fic I ever wrote, the two characters were friends and the omega went into heat unexpectedly, and in my mind the fact that the omega underwent this gradual loss of self that he didn't want or expect was creepy as fuck. But I'm sure some people read it as a happy ending, and that definitely goes the other way too. Just because I see abuse doesn't mean the author or anyone else does.

[(Anonymous)]

See, that's what I can't figure out: how is the sharp division and inequality between alphas and omegas not enforcing the shitty gender dynamic? The species is divided into two reproductive kinds, one of whom (doesn't really matter which, though it's most often the childbearing kind) is subjugated, stereotyped and subdued based on their biology - let's take a step back and forget about labels here - how is that not the exact same thing which happens to women in our world? I'm not getting in the gendered insults, that's obviously a whole another bag of stones. My understanding of the omegaverse is this: by the rules of the society they live in, this class of people is perceived as inferior and in need of guidance solely because of their biology (incidentally the biology relevant to reproducing). It might be that I just get too invested in the 'verse when reading, but that bothers me, very much so.

I second your definition of "woman," but I am not arguing that omegas identify as women. They identify as omegas, which is a term, basing on the biological, cultural and societal cues of the omegaverse, directly equivalent to what we call "women."

The other anon ignored the question, so let me just ask: in the context of omegaverse, what makes the omega a man?