[ SECRET POST #2023 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2023 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 066 secrets from Secret Submission Post #289.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[kathkin]

Slightly OT but some of my friends have started reading every character of unspecified or ambiguous gender as female when they watch films and they decided that Laufey is a woman, since apparently there's not much to indicate otherwise. I cannot unheadcanon. xD

[demishock]

It doesn't help that in Norse mythology, Laufey IS a woman.

[kathkin]

:O Oh, really? That might be where they got the idea, then! Headcanon significantly reinforced. :3

[demishock]

Yup! I'm not sure why the comics flipped it around and made Laufey Loki's father rather than his mother (and then Fárbauti, who's his father in the mythology, ended up as his mother in the comics). My best guess is that it has something to do with Loki being referred to by his metronymic in the mythology, when the patronymic is more common, but I have no evidence. (Also keeping in mind that everything I know about Norse mythology and Marvel comics came from wikipedia. Derp.)

[kathkin]

The metronymic/patronymic thing seems pretty likely, metronymics are pretty unusual (I mean Chrome is telling me that it's not even a word, so :P. Unless I'm spelling it wrong...). And everything I know about many subjects comes from wikipedia! xD

[demishock]

Yeah firefox told me it's not a word, too. Dictionary.com begs to differ!

[kathkin]

Well that goes to show how commonly used it is I guess.

[demishock]

At any rate, I've seen the idea bandied about in the movie-verse that the Jotuns are an intersex species, since we never see any biologically obvious females among them in the movie, so you and your friends aren't alone, at least, in alternate interpretations of Laufey. ;)

[kathkin]

I figure at the very least they can't be very sexually dimorphic. xD Glad to hear we're not alone, though!

[hihartnfics]

Yes, matronymic (metronymic) naming is unusual, particularly in patriarchal cultures. It's one of the call-outs that suggests to historians and other mythology scholars that Loki may be one of the proto-Indo-European gods carried over into Norse mythology, just as Thor was. However, that's not a hard-and-fast rule - there are a handful of examples (literally) of men who went by matronyms in the various writing left behind by Norsemen and Finn-Galls. If the young person's mother, for whatever reason, took a place of prominence her husband might otherwise have, it was not unreasonable for her children to use the matronym - they were associated with her, rather than her husband.

I took Marvel's flipping of their roles to be A) initially a mistake, based on sources that referenced Loki as either "Laufeyson" or "Laufeyjarson" (both exist, and both refer to Loki as "Son of Laufey," Laufey being his mother) and B) not correcting the mistake later down the line, because they'd propped Laufey up into a position of power, and gods forbid a woman have a position of power with a husband who was a secondary figure. D:

[kathkin]

That's really interesting, thanks for the info. :) And haha yeah I was going to comment on the 'women in positions of power' possibility.

[(Anonymous)]

...because she was? Or did they make her male in the movie (I've never seen Thor).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laufey

[kathkin]

I gather from the comments above that Laufey is a dude in the Marvel universe, but in the film it may be more ambiguous. I'm not sure since I watched it in a room full of rowdy drunk people but it seems you can read it either way, even if at a stretch. :)

[(Anonymous)]

lurey was played by a male actor and looked like a dude to me. With the disclaimer that there wren't any female Jotuns to compare hir against.