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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-07-17 06:57 pm

[ SECRET POST #2023 ]


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(Anonymous) 2012-07-17 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Unless it's very explicitly stated otherwise, every fictional book character's default race is white, didn't you know? That's the logic of most people I've encountered, anyways.

I mean poc can have tanned skin, etc. too, ffs.

(Anonymous) 2012-07-17 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly. This attitude is exactly the problem. It's not that Finnick was definitely, unquestionably a POC, it's that we need to stop seeing white as the default.

(Anonymous) 2012-07-17 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
For some reason I always thought of Finnick as Asian. Maybe because around here there are or at least were a lot of Asian people in the fishing industries. Then again "around here" is underwater in The Hunger Games.

I'm not saying I won't see the movie because a white guy is Finnick, especially since that was just my thought, but I agree that seeing white as the default is a problem.

(Anonymous) 2012-07-17 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I had an English prof who demonstrated this to my class. He drew a picture of a smiley face, then asked the class what race (and gender) they assumed the face likely was. Most of the class ended up saying white and male, even though there were no markers whatsoever on the face to determine a race or gender whatsoever. (Ie. the face could have been any race or gender, but we as a society are conditioned to think that the plain default is white male, and everything else can only be identified by a stereotyped marker or overt clarification that it isn't).

There's an XKCD for that! Sort of.

(Anonymous) 2012-07-18 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
http://xkcd.com/617/

Context is here (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/30/beer-summit-begins-obama-_n_248254.html) if you need it, but the upswing is that the plainest, most basic stick figure in the strip, the one with no accessories or defining characteristics, is the one representing Barack Obama.

Re: There's an XKCD for that! Sort of.

(Anonymous) 2012-07-18 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
Lol, that was cute

(Anonymous) 2012-07-18 05:31 am (UTC)(link)
well, was it a blackboard or a whiteboard?

(Anonymous) 2012-07-20 06:08 pm (UTC)(link)
lol
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[personal profile] fuchsiascreams 2012-07-19 12:19 pm (UTC)(link)
That is exactly is, thank you.
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[personal profile] cloud_riven 2012-07-17 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course you have to go out of your way to let readers know there's a non- white broseph running around. Duh! Everyone is assumed lily white until mentioned otherwise :U

Pssh. Only white people tan. My big sister happens to be secretly white you see? Everyone else is permanently smooched by the sun \8U/
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[personal profile] fuchsiascreams 2012-07-19 12:22 pm (UTC)(link)
And even if it's explicitly stated that they're black, they're still white! Because their mannerisms were compared to a white person's! Only white people can have similarities! People of color have ethnic mannerisms!

(Anonymous) 2012-07-21 12:07 pm (UTC)(link)
huh, just realized I'd probably assume that too.

Which made me think because around where I live white is kinda the default around where I live (and I live in a big, european city). We have a lot of turkish people around here and some arabs as well as a lot of asian people, there are black people too but really not so many.

The turkish, arabic and asian people that I personally know all have foreign names. And everyone who has names like David, Lisa etc. was either white or tanned so I suppose that's probably why for me not-foreign names (for the lack of a better word) always mean the person is white/tanned.

Not that that makes it any better to always imagine white as a default but not everyone is deliberately racist.

(Anonymous) 2012-07-28 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I grew up in an area that is ~70% Asian. Most of Asian people are immigrants of kids of immigrants. Most of them also take an "American" name to call themselves by/just plain have an "American" name. I've met countless Asian; Marys, Amandas, Cindys, Vincents, Stephens, ect. So, I think it depends on the area really. And people who are mixed have a good chance of having an "American" last name.