[ SECRET POST #2031 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2031 ⌋

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Comments

[herongale]

See, I take the opposite tack, mostly because it breaks MY heart to think of my adorable baby nephews who love these movies uncritically and with full open hearts eventually realizing the darkness that is in this series, precisely because the guys at Pixar DO end up addressing it in that third movie. Before then, the full level of darkness had been a lot easier to ignore and overlook.

I guess... in a way I respect it, as art? The Toy Story series is the closest thing we have to a modern-day Grimm Fairy Tail in terms of built-in horror that is somehow seen as completely okay to introduce kids to (mostly because I think that the darkest aspects implicit to the story STILL go over the head of most adults, even with the kind of obvious darkness in the third movie). It's truly deep and meaningful storytelling, and precisely because of this it is allowed to have all these sad and hopeless layers that a lesser series wouldn't even try to touch. I even think that there are important lessons about the fleetingness of happiness and how therefore every little bit of happiness in life should be treasured, and a little built-in terror can be a healthy thing I guess.

But I still remember how I felt when I realized the horror of Pinnochio after first watching it when I was, idk, 10 years old? In that movie, you have the "bad boys" who end up transformed into donkeys and sold back to the human world as mute slaves who are denied their basic humanity... and who are whipped even as they lose their voices crying out for their moms, their voices breaking into animalistic braying midway through. I'm a grown-ass adult who is fairly competently able to handle lots of real-life tragedy, but... I still tear up and get a heartbroken feeling when I think about those poor boys from that dumb movie, and I had nightmares and complexes for YEARS that all stemmed from that movie. It's gorgeous and a classic but... I feel like it didn't do me any favors as an oversensitive child to be exposed to shit that made me afraid that any element of bad behavior on my part might get me such transformatively evil punishment.

And with Toy Story, I just KNOW that my nephews are just as much of emotionally sensitive snots just like I was, and will eventually figure out this shit on their own... and who even knows what it will make them feel. I just know that it will probably make them sad and make them cry. And I can't really forgive the Toy Story movies for that.

[biohazardgirl]

I really like your analysis! It's very interesting.

(I'm going to be a bit more serious in my analysis now; the last bit was a bit jokey, although I did address some of the things I wanted to)

I don't know though. I think that most kids need to be exposed to dark themes through media, because fiction helps people cope with the sad reality of the real world. Ultimately what I think is cool about toy story is that in the third movie, the toys were prepared to accept their death in the furnace because they knew that they had each other until the very end. That's a really powerful message, and it's learned throughout the whole movie.

I'll sort of use a "God" allegory now to say that the toys learn that even when they feel that "God" (in this case, their child) has deserted them, they still can gather together with one another and stay strong through times of loneliness and purposelessness, and they learn that their purpose lies in one another instead of in some arbitrary authority figure. They learn that they can be happy even when times aren't good as long as they are together, and that when they die their lives will have not been for nothing because they will have enriched each other's lives. It's a pretty deep message, especially for a children's movie, but it's an important one: pay attention and give love to the ones you care about, because that's all that matters in the end.

Pinnochio is straight up scary though xD Talk about scaring kids straight.