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fandomsecrets2012-07-25 06:50 pm
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Re: Good case for Steve
If you are so scared of pregnancy that you would commit suicide, you need to seek counseling. It sounds as thought you might suffer from tokophobia. Nothing is ever worth killing yourself over.
I also hope that you have a partner who is considerate of you and would never put you at risk of becoming pregnant.
Sabotaging someone's contraception should be prosecuted as battery. Rape should be prosecuted severely. We should all work to make the health care in our respective countries better and available to women regardless of income.
However, to someone who belives a ZBEF is a valuable human being, it's impossible to support something that has a 100% mortality rate and that happens so very often. Which brings me back to my original point, you and the AYRT differs in how you view the ZBEF and that colors how you view the question. Pro-lifers look at the abortion statistics and literally see millions of dead people.
Although, it may make you feel better to know that even though the AYRT wants to make abortion illegal, not all pro-life people want that. All Our Lives is a good example of an organisation that seeks to stop abortion by changing hearts and minds and alleviating the root causes of abortion.
Have a great day and take care.
Forced pregnancy is not the same as pregnancy
(Anonymous) 2012-07-28 07:20 am (UTC)(link)A regular pregnancy isn't torture. Forced pregnancy is not the same thing. It can definitely be argued that forcing someone to undergo drastic physical changes cuminating in what is described as the most painful experience of one's life is indeed a form of violence.
It is generally not legal to physically prevent an adult from obtaining safe medical treatment that would prevent unwanted physical changes and pain. In fact, doing so in any other circumstance DOES count as torture and violence. For the same reason that imprisoning someone with a health condition and not allowing them medical treatment is also considered torture and an act of violence (recall that starving a prisoner is also the same - there doesn't have to be hitting -- depriving is also considered violence and torture in some circumstances. To use a silly example to make a point, if there were a law that prevented people from having some other medical procedure that prevented a great deal of pain and risk for moral reasons, then that would be institutional torture, done by society.
I understand that what complicates this is the issue, as you pointed out, of when separate life begins. So I'm not saying that my examples are exactly the same as the issue here. Obviously, this issue is way more complex than the examples above. I'm just saying that if someone does NOT want to be pregnant, it's not fair or accurate to tell someone that they can't think of forced pregnancy as torture. (If it clarifies, I think forced pregnancy is to pregnancy as rape is to sex --- NOT the same).
That said, I actually was not very aware that there were prominent pro-life groups who don't advocate for legal restrictions. It's a shame that groups like that don't get the attention of the larger groups, but thank you for bringing it up - that was very informative. I personally feel like the ethical issue is a complex one with many reasonable sides, but as to the legal aspect, I find that one side is much more fitting for a free society. So it's nice to hear that the ethical and legal issues are recognized as separate by people with many different perspectives.