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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-08-06 06:35 pm

[ SECRET POST #2043 ]


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kathkin: (Default)

Re: Misogynistic language

[personal profile] kathkin 2012-08-07 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Re 'cunt': oh god, it took me so long to realise why all the American people I was encountering got so offended at that word. I'd describe it as 'gender neutral but leaning towards masculine'.

And while using a word for female genitalia is kind of offensive no matter which way you cut it... idk. I watched a pretty awesome documentary on the subject a while back in which it was argued that the reason men find it so offensive is not because it means 'female genitalia' but because it's an aggressive-sounding word meaning 'female genitalia'. It's not like 'pussy'. 'Cunt' is definitely an active word (I really like the theory that it comes from the verb 'to create', as unlikely as that is), and it's a powerful word, and in that sense I find it kind of empowering, even when used as an insult.

But yeah when it comes to stuff like 'cunt' and also 'twat' if you dare to suggest that they are used differently and less offensively in the UK you get jumped on for pretending that Britain is a magical sexism-free utopia. Um, no. We have plenty of issues of our own, they're just different issues.

/my two cents
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Re: Misogynistic language

[personal profile] thene 2012-08-07 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't see how an insulting use of a word meaning female genitalia is any different to an insulting use of a word meaning male genitalia. We're okay with dick, prick, bollocks and balls being negative so why not twat or cunt? (trufax, I lived in the USA for three years before discovering that 'twat' is pronounced differently here. They use an 'aah' rather than a hard 'a'. It's so wrong).

While I'm not 100% into any of the words we use for female genitalia, I'm glad that we've got some variety between aggressive-sounding and not, active or passive. It makes porn-writing easier.
kathkin: (Default)

Re: Misogynistic language

[personal profile] kathkin 2012-08-08 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
As far as I'm concerned it's one of those things that would be the same if we lived in a perfect world, but we don't live in a perfect world, so 'dick' and 'cunt' carry different connotations. As someone (I forget their username) likes to point out, there are far more positive words associated with male than with female genitalia.

Re: Misogynistic language

(Anonymous) 2012-08-08 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
Because the male versions have never been used to oppress men. The female versions are routinely used by men against women who step outside the gender norms or who they in any way dislike. They are used to keep women in their place. That is why they are a problem.

Re: Misogynistic language

(Anonymous) 2012-08-08 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
Well duh. Obviously you use an insult against people you dislike. You don't usually call someone you like a cunt, you call someone you hate a cunt.

Goddamn you SJWs are stupid. No shit people use it against other people they dislike, that's kind of the whole point of an insult.