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⌈ Secret Post #2046 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The pool of published scholars working on this topic right now is very small and rather dated. I'm thinking of McHarry and Pagliassotti in particular, or some of the work done by Kinsella, but as I say it's all rather dated and not engaging much with anything more sophisticated.

You need to read some better writers on this topic because there's just a whole lot of not-smart going on there.

[opal_skies]

To be honest, I haven't actually read any of it, because I thought as a general statement about all yaoi fans it seemed pretty stupid (not that there's any reason there couldn't be some instances of gay transmen enjoying the genre for vicarious pleasure, etc.), but I'd remembered seeing it mentioned in other academic books and bibliographies dealing with other topics.

[(Anonymous)]

Generally speaking it's just a very badly handled topic and I'm hoping in the future there will be scholars who make less disparaging arguments about fans of yaoi and that the enjoyment of it as a genre is not seen as 'vicarious pleasure,' which as a suggestion is kind of troubling and pretty insulting to the experience of gay transmen.

[opal_skies]

Well, yes. I find it annoying as a presentation of the "ah-ha!" reason or explanation for "why" particular people might like yaoi - something that, to my knowledge, doesn't appear to be as great an area of interest when dealing with heterosexual pornography or erotic materials. But I don't know...I think for people of any gender or sexual persuasion (except, I suppose, for some asexuals), when dealing with personal enjoyment of [to a lesser extent, perhaps] romantic and/or sexual media, it isn't such a stretch to say that a lot of the enjoyment involved could be vicarious. I suppose this speaks mostly to the throngs of self-inserts across many fandoms, but particularly in, let's say, the Twilight fandom.
Again, though, I won't say this is the end-all way to interact with yaoi or other media dealing heavily with sex (I realize Twilight does not exactly fit into that category, but it was the first thing that came into my head :P). I mean, heck, I liked yaoi when I was younger (I still enjoy slash, and some malexmale comics/manga/whatever, but the endless repetition of the abusive relationship as an idealized trope of the genre wore very thin indeed for me), but I'm a non-heterosexual female, so where does that leave me? I've seen mention of some discussion of lesbian yaoi fans enjoying yaoi's androgynous characters almost as if the characters were in fact female instead, but I don't know.

Blahblahblah etc. Anyway. :P