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Sindeloke, whoever they are, is pretty much the only person out there who holds this view, judging by every single conversation I have ever seen or participated in on the subject

ROFL dunno where you've been then. Somewhere pit-like.

Hi. I'm not Sindeloke, but we're now having a discussion about privilege and I hold the same view as they do. So there you go! Also, people in my circles generally hold this view. I'd advice maybe finding better people to discuss privilege with?

Honestly, there are a lot of people who want to scream privilege and make people feel like shit, but at the heart of the matter that is not what privilege is about. It's sad that a lot of people don't get that, on both sides of the conversation.

Okay. So let's try to make an analogy. Say, there is a person out there in, say, the UK. Say, this person uses snail mail to, say, buy stuff from internet shops or send their friends postcards. This person never has to wait, say, two weeks until their friend gets their card or five weeks until they get their purchase. Now, here is me and the post office in my country. :) Like I said, two weeks for EMS (seriously!), five to seven weeks for international mail.

Is this British person with their next day delivery options available postally privileged compared to me? :) Will their remembering their postal privilege somehow help me or change the situation I am in or make any difference at all? Will my constant reminders of their postal privilege make them want to keep sending postcards to me? :) And whom will it hurt more if/when they get tired of it and stop?

The situation is absolutely real, by the way. Not life-and-death, obviously, but still rather unpleasant. Especially when ebay sellers refuse to ship to my country due to long delivery times. :D The f*ckers.

Thing is, constantly reminding somebody of all the privileges they have doesn't help anybody anyway. Words don't help. When you say: "You're priviledged, remember it" it doesn't help. When you say: "I keep my privilege in mind all the time" it doesn't help. The only final result of constant empty reminders, however well-meant, will be an annoyed person. That's because when a person constantly has their back to the wall and no means to change anything, then they will either give up and surrender or finally attack. Even if they started out as nice, cooperative and well-meaning. And nobody will benefit from the situation when it comes to it.

+10000

I think it helps for people to remember in which ways they're privileged in a 'count your blessings' kind of way. If you can help other people by first being aware of your privileges and then helping someone less privileged in one way or another, or at least take it into consideration when interacting with them, surely it can help make the world a little bit better.

I think it's totally reasonable for people in countries that can't get new media yet to remind people in countries that can of that. Including DVD releases and shipping times. Because there's a benefit to the people who get those things soonest, and if they're polite, they'll be willing to keep they'll capslock spoiler feelings under a cut until everyone else can get whatever it is too. So, yeah, I think there is postal privilege, and sometimes people are dicks about it and that's stupid, but having the reminder isn't bad.

For future reference, all the little smiley faces are just as annoying as "sweetie" or "honey" or anything else annoying troll-like comments like to use. Just so you know.

Also, I never said "I keep my privilege in mind all the time" - so I guess I'm not the "you" that you're addressing. In fact, I don't think anyone has said that within this thread. Being aware of privilege isn't the same as keeping it in mind all the time. I'm aware that gravity exists, but I"m not constantly thinking about the matter. I'm aware that my left ankle sometimes goes out on me, but I'm not constantly thinking about it. It's just something I know about myself so when I fall on my face I think "Oh yeah, that's due to gravity and my bad ankle."

As to your oddly phrased drawn out analogy - being aware of your postal privilege won't change anything in the postal system, no. However, being aware of your postal privilege would hopefully change the way you talk about it. It would make you aware that you shouldn't assume everyone has the same postal privilege that you have and can't get mail the same speed. It should make you aware that some people have to wait a really long time and they get frustrated, and that you're pretty lucky to have speedy postal privilege, and to maybe be more careful in the way you talk about it. Awareness, as I said, is the point of privilege, not changing the facts.

That's because when a person constantly has their back to the wall and no means to change anything, then they will either give up and surrender or finally attack.

That is a serious personal problem with your approach to life. When people point out that you're speaking from a place of privilege you should not feel like your back is to the wall and that you have no means to change anything. That's just approaching the whole thing with a defeatist negative attitude.

Edited 2012-08-18 16:37 (UTC)

Very well said.

Unleashing double barrelled profanity on the person who innocently says "I'm just going out to check my mail now" is where the SJWs break the analogy....because in my experience, they always, always, attack first, and for reasons that are absolutely NOT proportional to the immature f-bombs, intolerance, and massive vitriol that they generally open with.

And no, I am not going to list off all the labels that make me kosher and non-privileged as far as the SJWs are concerned...because I HAVE been attacked, for speaking idiomatic English in a non-offensive context. (Furthermore, I shouldn't have to accept a bunch of labels I've rejected all my life, just so I'll be listened to.)

Unfortunately the SJW attacking me, was trying to flame me (without knowing it) for offending myself. Because this SJW didn't know me from a hole in the wall, but they presumed (and it is a presumption, an abusive one, at that) to speak for all people in that "category" -- which I also happen to fall into. Nine chances out of ten, the SJWs that scream the loudest, don't even fall into (and therefore they cannot possibly understand) the categories that they claim are the most vulnerable, categories which they spew the most hatred and vitriol over for alleged and even imagined "offenses" on the Internet, as they claim to "defend" them.

I go to the Internet to escape the labels society wants to plaster all over me. The SJWs are making that next to impossible, these days.

Oh, well, if you have anecdata on the subject surely you know everything and everyone there is to know regarding it!

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