[ SECRET POST #2054 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2054 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[American Horror Story]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #293.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[intrigueing]

The bad things he does are on one hand SO bad that they cease to have a lot of real world meaning for people

What really makes me facepalm? The whole point of Coulson's death was to negate this exact effect. Loki casually, needlessly, nastily, and graphically kills a really likable, innocent, non-superhero normal guy who was standing up to him despite being hopelessly outmatched in an attempt to save Thor. That's not over the top, unreal villainy. That's as close to the heart as they come and makes all the other bad stuff he did retroactively much more vile.

truxillogical had a wonderful spiel on one of those TDKR secrets a while ago about how Coulson's death scene makes Loki go from "coolly entertaining bad guy whose villainy is less interesting than the Avengers bickering" to "evil shithead whom every single viewer in the movie theater hates, personally, with a vengeance and wants to see get the shit kicked out of him by the Hulk". But apparently the fangirls latched onto the "Coulson Lives!" theory and used it to dismiss not only his death, but everything else that Loki did, because since Coulson's death was supposed to remind the viewers that Loki killed loads of other people whose friends were at the very least as upset by their deaths as the viewers were by Coulson's, you can twist the idea of his death not mattering into everyone's death not mattering.

[agnes_bean]

That's as close to the heart as they come and makes all the other bad stuff he did retroactively much more vile.

IDK. I get what you're saying about the Coulson lives theory, but the fact of the matter is his death just DIDN'T have that effect to me, and I say that as someone who, again, is in no way a Loki apologist.

Coulson was a nice guy, sure, but he was a minor character I didn't care that much about. He died quipping about his giant sci-fi gun. I can see how it was supposed to ground Loki's actions, but it didn't work that way for me -- certainly not in a way that makes Loki anything like Walter White for me.

*shrugs*

[intrigueing]

See, that's totally understandable, but I think even people who DGAF about Coulson can tell on an intellectual level what it was supposed to mean, given how it affected the Avengers onscreen. It's not nearly on the emotionally cruel scale of Walter White, especially in how he treated Jesse (*shudder*), but there's a similar personal element there to bring Loki's fantastical mass-murder back to earth.

[(Anonymous)]

Aren't you a massive Clint/Coulson shipper? Of course you're going to be more affected by his death than other people.

[luxshine]

FWIW, not all people affected by Coulson's death are Clint/Coulson shippers. I'm pretty neutral about the pairing now, didn't know anything about the pairing before watching the movie, and that scene still made me cringe.

Coulson was, ship or no ship, one of the things that connected the previous movies. He went from 'that SHIELD guy in IM1' to the cameo a lot of people expected in new marvel movies to see how they connected to each other since it was obvious that the main heroes wouldn't be appearing until Avengers. SO yes, to a lot of people Coulson was important.

And to people NOT in the fandom, it was still Loki killing a non-powered human being. Not a random no named character, but someone they knew. Who had lines. So yeah, it was a line for Loki to cross from 'general villain' to 'despicable asshole'

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, people were pretty gung-ho about Old German Dude who didn't kneel. Or Epic Security Guard of Epic. It's the symbolism, not whether or not they give a fuck about the character.

[intrigueing]

...massive Clint/Coulson shipper?

Massive. Clint/Coulson. Shipper?

Me?

I...not...how...where...WAT.

Um, right. I've read a few fics and, to my total astonishment, actually liked them, which was so utterly shocking to me (given that they've said about three lines to each other in the movie) that it warranted me mentioning it on this comm, and apparently you've remembered that and have been stalking me ever since, which is REALLY fucking creepy by the way. But shipper? Hahahahahahaha!!!

I was talking from a totally clinical perspective. It's quite obvious that the point of his death was to introduce a level of seriousness and make viewers take the bad guy seriously and feel what the characters were feeling. It's, like, Action Film Pathos 101. Like the Kid's death in the Matrix, or Darwin's death in XMFC, or Rachel's death (or Gordon's "death") in TDK. Doesn't matter how you personally were affected, but anyone can see what it's supposed to be conveying.

And "more affected than other people"? Hmm....well, I honest-to-god can't turn a single corner on tumblr or AO3 without hitting a sniffling, tribute-writing/drawing fan who's still broken up over it (which honestly is getting annoying. I really like Coulson, but he's not an Avenger jesus fuck). I heard gasps and yelps and audible "oh no"'s all over the theater both when he was stabbed and when he died both times I went to see it in theaters, and I heard one girl behind me whispering frantically that 'no no, he's not really dead right?' to her friend. Not "my" experience of being affected at all. I actually had no idea people cared that much about Coulson until I checked the internet and went "whoa!" at all the "omg nooooo" and "omg he's not deeeeaaad" being splashed all over the place.

[terabient]

The whole point of Coulson's death was to negate this exact effect. Loki casually, needlessly, nastily, and graphically kills a really likable, innocent, non-superhero normal guy who was standing up to him despite being hopelessly outmatched in an attempt to save Thor. That's not over the top, unreal villainy. That's as close to the heart as they come and makes all the other bad stuff he did retroactively much more vile.

FWIW, Coulson is ultimately a soldier dying in the line of duty. That doesn't make his death less affecting and it certainly doesn't make Loki less despicable for murdering him, but it's very different from Walter White essentially endangering and abusing a former student and his wife (and really, everyone around him) in the name of financial security.

But then, that's why this secret is pretty trolly odd in the first place. These characters aren't similar at all.

[intrigueing]

Oh yeah, I wasn't talking about the secret at all by that point ;) I was discussing how over-the-top villains tend to be less hated even if they kill hundreds of people and try to conquer planets, while regular, realistic guys are hated for comparatively "small" offenses because people personally connect to the latter, but not to the former. So in order to be taken seriously, an over-the-top villain has to do something personally horrible to a character the audience cares about (not random extras) to be hated, so they can remember that oh yeah, that's why the bad guy is bad. Obviously not the same, but the point of moments like Coulson's death is to bring a tinge of BB-esque realistic evilness into the over-the-top villain.

There are several examples of this in the movieverse already, I think. Stuff like how cruel Obadiah was to Tony when he was stealing the reactor, or Loki, again, threatening to kill (or rape) Jane in Thor, or Hammer threatening Vanko's burd in IM2, or Blonsky referring to that female agent as an annoying bitch in TIH. Stuff that's just, kinda, viscerally hateful that hits you in the little-kid part of your psyche rather than the "I theoretically know that conquering the world is bad because of X Y Z" part.