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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-08-22 06:30 pm

[ SECRET POST #2059 ]


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Re: Equality

(Anonymous) 2012-08-22 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
We will only know when there is true equality when no-one is actually noting what race, gender or sexual orientation a character is when they die and talking about how a minority is getting shafted because the character was fridged.

True representational equality in that sense is a long way off. Especially by fandom standards.

p.s. Your comment made me think of Torchwood for some reason... maybe because were talking about everyone being killed off. IDEK.

Re: Equality

(Anonymous) 2012-08-22 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
We will only know when there is true equality when no-one is actually noting what race, gender or sexual orientation a character is when they die

So, only when we've erased the identities of all the queers, then? That's not equality. Gender and sexuality MATTER. You can't just erase them from the equation without erasing a part of the person.
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Re: Equality

[personal profile] brightblueink 2012-08-22 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I think what they're trying to say is that equality will happen when we don't feel the need to have to make note that "this character was killed, and they're a woman" or "this character died and they're black." Not that gender, race and sexuality don't matter at all.

Re: Equality

(Anonymous) 2012-08-22 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
That's what I thought as well...

Re: Equality

(Anonymous) 2012-08-22 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
That was not my point. My point was that we will know we're truly equal when sex, gender, race etc. don't actually matter to anyone anymore. When characters can just be what they are without it being noteworthy and statement making. I wasn't advocating erasure, I was advocating normalcy.

You know, the kind of utopia where there is no racism, sexism or homophobia.

Re: Equality

(Anonymous) 2012-08-24 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
PLEASE WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE SJWS
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Re: Equality

[personal profile] intrigueing 2012-08-23 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
No. It would be great if we could have a media where gender and sexuality doesn't stick out the way it does now, where no one has to cling to the one or two well-written and well-represented homosexual pairings/relatable female characters in their circle of fandoms because they're all over the place, and therefore they could get killed off the same way straight pairings/male characters/whatever are without seriously depriving the fandoms in question of something unique. But we're not there yet. We have to actually build it to the point where they are equal before we can start treating them like they are equal.

OP

(Anonymous) 2012-08-23 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
This was the point I was trying to make but stated much more coherently. :)
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Re: Equality

[personal profile] darkmanifest 2012-08-23 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
We have to actually build it to the point where they are equal before we can start treating them like they are equal.

Thank you.

Re: Equality

(Anonymous) 2012-08-23 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
If gender and sexuality will always matter, then there will never actually be equality.