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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-08-22 06:30 pm

[ SECRET POST #2059 ]


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(Anonymous) 2012-08-22 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
English comes easiest to people who practise it. End of story.

(Anonymous) 2012-08-22 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi OP!

(Anonymous) 2012-08-22 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Both are true.

Those who practice it will of course have it easier. But those who go from, say, German to English will have a huge advantage over those going from Chinese to English because of the way the grammar systems are structured. German and English are structured similarly and Chinese works on a completely different language structure.
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[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2012-08-22 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
This.

Languages from the same "family" will have similar grammar, while completely foreign languages will have very little commonality to begin with.
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[personal profile] toshi_hakari 2012-08-23 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
I do know people whose mother tongue is German and they are basically unable to learn any language. I think it has to do with a mixture of that and interest/"talent" for learning a language? idk.

(Anonymous) 2012-08-24 09:36 am (UTC)(link)
It might have something to do with germans dubbing everything, so after they graduate high school they don't get to use english and/or the other laguages they studied during high school regulary, while in, sweden, for exaple, they only dub media aimd for children, so most games/movies/tvshows are in english (or other languages, but English speaking media are more common.) Sure, there is subtitles, but swedes still get to hear english every day.
But sure, some people have it easier to understand languages than others, and some are just not intrested.
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[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2012-08-22 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Obviously - but it's easier to learn for some people. I can't believe anyone would even question that.

(Anonymous) 2012-08-22 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
That doesn't mean you're going to attain perfection inmediately. You'll have to make your share of awful and terrible mistakes before (I know I have).

I'm sorry OP is having trouble with her writing (I can relate to that), but she's not doing any of us ESL a favor thinking like that. She should know better, what it's like to try and hit a wall when it comes to find the words you want to express.

(Anonymous) 2012-08-23 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
lol no. i mean, that's true in 'you're missing the point' kind of way. let's say a korean person learns english and a german person learns english. they practice equal amounts. do you really think they'll become fluent at the same time?

(Anonymous) 2012-08-23 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
Because there are no languages in the world that have similar grammatical structures or which stem from the same root language, and therefore there is no advantage that can ever be conferred upon an individual who is trying to learn a particular language.

There are also no people in the world who possess a particular talent for learning other languages.

Furthermore, a 25-year-old will have no more difficulty learning a new language than a 7-year-old.
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[personal profile] cloudsinvenice 2012-08-23 08:20 am (UTC)(link)
Though I'm guessing most 7-year-olds have more spare time to practice in, and fewer self-limiting preconceptions about the difficulty of the language, than most 25-year-olds.

(Anonymous) 2012-08-24 04:23 am (UTC)(link)
Late but...

Yes, and no. They do have those advantages, but the 25 year old is also far, far further past the window of opportunity with language learning than the 7 year old, so that also effects how easily it's picked up.
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[personal profile] cloudsinvenice 2012-08-24 09:50 am (UTC)(link)
I think we're on the same page here. I was also arguing against the bootstraps mentality expressed earlier; didn't mean to suggest that their mentality is the only thing holding the 25-year-old back. At 7 (and I'm sure someone else can express this in more scientific terms) your brain's like a sponge. At 25, well... it's definitely more resistant to learning new things, and not just for the aforementioned psychological/social/resource reasons.