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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-08-22 06:30 pm

[ SECRET POST #2059 ]


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[personal profile] iggy 2012-08-22 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I know they're not. I didn't mean to compare them on the level of civil rights movement is omg just like the gay rights movement. I apologize.

I simply meant to say that they are two things that sectors of society disapprove of (that were once in one case, or are in the other... in some places, illegal). Basically saying that Disney has evolved with the times in some aspects. As for them being in the source material. Huh? Pocahontas and John Smith weren't actually romantically involved, Esmeralda and Phoebus was pretty much one-sided and Disney turned it into a healthy consensual relationship, and Tiana and Naveen and Milo and Kida were created by Disney.
Edited 2012-08-22 23:54 (UTC)

(Anonymous) 2012-08-23 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
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As for them being in the source material. Huh? Pocahontas and John Smith weren't actually romantically involved, Esmeralda and Phoebus was pretty much one-sided and Disney turned it into a healthy consensual relationship, and Tiana and Naveen and Milo and Kida were created by Disney.

But Pocahontas and John Rolfe were very much so, Esmeralda was basically desired by half of Paris's white male population, people are still confused about Naveen's ethnicity (there are people who think he is white, while others think he is black), so I don't think their relationship really applies here, and while Atlantis is original Disney production, the "white male tames/wins the hot savage chick" is quite an old trope.

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[personal profile] iggy 2012-08-23 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
That's all true, but your comment stated that the pairings were in the source material? I simply said that they were not. Regarding Esmeralda and Phoebus though, I think there's quite a difference between an ~exotic~ (bleh) woman being desired by men and her actually being written as being in a loving and equal relationship with one. ...Also Esmeralda wasn't even technically Romani in Hugo's novel. She was a changeling. Disney's Esmeralda is very obviously not white. Score one for Disney over Hugo there, imo.

As for Naveen though, why are people arguing over whether he's white or black? He's... pretty obviously not either. Imo.