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fandomsecrets2012-08-24 06:35 pm
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[ SECRET POST #2061 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2061 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Xena: Warrior Princess]
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[tales of symphonia]
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[The Girl From Tomorrow]
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[Spyro the Dragon]
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[Lamento -Beyond the Void-]
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[Aidan Gillen]
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[Skyrim]
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[Touhou Project]
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[Total Recall]
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[Castle]
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[Spyro the Dragon]
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[ ----- SPOILERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]
12. [SPOILERS for the Dark Knight Rises]
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13. [SPOILERS for Digimon 02]
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14. [SPOILERS for the Borgias]
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15. [SPOILERS for Tales of Symphonia]
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16. [SPOILERS for asoiaf/game of thrones]
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17. [SPOILERS for A Dance With Dragons]
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18. [WARNING for eating disorders]
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19. [WARNING for pedophilia, rape, child abuse]
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #294.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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(Anonymous) 2012-08-25 04:17 am (UTC)(link)You can't honestly say with a straight face that changes from childhood to ~16-18 years old are on the same scale that ~16-18 years old to 27.
No, and saying that that's what I'm saying is strawmanning.
"The fact that there are some terrible normalized practices at that time does not mean that everything that was normalized at that time was terrible."
...What point were you trying to make by bringing that up, then?
"A culture in which people died in their 30s, and in which those who we would now consider to be children were not only given but were fully able to handle "adult" responsibilities."
Again, being able to handle by sheer necessity isn't the same as "having to handle". And I don't know about "fully".
"Yes, it does. Turning 15 is a rather important event for that reason."
Quinceañeras parties are a thing where I live too, and we definitely do not become adults "please come marry me and take care of me now, grown man" after those any more.
"I won't deny that they're risky. But they're possible and common, because that is when the body is biologically ready to conceive."
"everyone can do it and a lot of people do it" is not a good reason for risky behavior.
"No less real than...what? The idea that a person who is 17 and 11 months old is not able to handle the responsibility of voting, and yet a person one month older is? The idea that a person who is 20 and 11 months old is not able to handle the responsibility of drinking, and yet a person one month older is? The idea that a 15-year-old should not drive, yet a 16-year-old is perfectly competent?"
The effect those arbitrary milestone have isn't any more real, is what I meant.
Those milestone are decided for the sake of those who are not ready yet, not because by the midnight stroke you change magically. Oh god, you're one of the people who insist that age of consent should be lowered because they "totally know/was myself a very mature person at a young age", aren't you?
There is no "ultimate line", we establish limits to try to protect as many people as we can; and you just said that our society postpones adulthood; like I've said before, just because it's an effect of our society, doesn't make the impact any less real. What you keep trying to skip over is that: a) we're not going to start sending of children to war, making them marry or having serious burdens over their shoulders, and the parts of the world that do that are frowned upon because that is not a good thing
"When it's only women who are marrying at a young age, I think it's pretty clearly a function of how society views females, and not a function of biology."
I never said it wasn't?
I think we will have to agree to disagree; I see what you are proposing as hurtful, you see what I'm defending as nonsense of some sort, neither of us is going to budge on something we feel so strongly about and this argument is going to go nowhere except making us both more upset and even more stubborn about our beliefs.
Let's just end here and each go our own way?
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(Anonymous) 2012-08-25 04:25 am (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2012-08-25 04:30 am (UTC)(link)Let's just end here and each go our own way?"
Due to this statement, I'm not going to respond to anything else, because I don't think that you'd appreciate it. But for what it's worth, I myself am not upset. I enjoy this type of discussion and I'm always open to the potential of having my mind changed. In the end, you've given me some things to think about, and so I thank you and wish you a good evening.