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⌈ Secret Post #2061 ⌋

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[Xena: Warrior Princess]

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[tales of symphonia]

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[The Girl From Tomorrow]

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[Spyro the Dragon]

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[Lamento -Beyond the Void-]

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[Aidan Gillen]

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[Skyrim]

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[Touhou Project]

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[Total Recall]

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[Castle]

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[Spyro the Dragon]

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12. [SPOILERS for the Dark Knight Rises]

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13. [SPOILERS for Digimon 02]

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14. [SPOILERS for the Borgias]

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15. [SPOILERS for Tales of Symphonia]

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16. [SPOILERS for asoiaf/game of thrones]

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17. [SPOILERS for A Dance With Dragons]

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18. [WARNING for eating disorders]

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19. [WARNING for pedophilia, rape, child abuse]

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I actually agree with you on everything you've said. I also admitted before to not reading the article because I wasn't going to argue its merits.

I think Mary Sue/Gary Stus are poor characters and are a helpful identifying label for a failing in writing.

I was merely saying the label can be used in a sexist way, normally applying to characters that do not actually fit the description you just wrote.

So do I think that is a poor article? Yes. Do I Think Mary Sue/Gary Stus are a good label to have to identify bad writing? Yes. Do I think the label is abused and can be used to reinforce sexist ideas? Yes. Is that always the case? Of course not.

So I'm not really sure what we're arguing about.

It's just that the article seems to unintentionally/or-not? veer into the sexism thing. I know that sexism is wrong and the terms can be abused, but...

Have you ever seen a large porcelain doll? It looks pretty with the clothes and frills, but there's just something a bit off about it; about how the way the skin is too white or the cheeks to rosy or that you imagine it looking around when nobody's looking....

That's how I felt about the article. Something just seems off about it.

EDIT: I just realized why the article sounds a bit off! Suppose say a writer writes a bad fanfic featuring a real-Mary-Sue, and yet when people ask him/her about it, they would say "Your just SEXIST."

Also, with the words "Mary-Sue", "Sexism" and "Feminism" flying around, fanfiction writers would have to invent another term for badly written characters and the last thing I want on top of this is a wank war on fanfic terminology.

Edited 2012-08-25 12:41 (UTC)

So it sounds like a bad article.

I'm not advocating getting rid of the term Mary Sue/Gary Stu. As I said, it's a useful label. Heck, I use it. I just said it has the potential to be misused.

But many terms and labels have the potential to be abused for one reason or another. It's just how things are.

So again, we agree, so I'm not sure what we're disagreeing about.

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