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⌈ Secret Post #2061 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Xena: Warrior Princess]

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[tales of symphonia]

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[The Girl From Tomorrow]

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[Spyro the Dragon]

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[Lamento -Beyond the Void-]

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[Aidan Gillen]

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[Skyrim]

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[Touhou Project]

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[Total Recall]

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[Castle]

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[Spyro the Dragon]

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12. [SPOILERS for the Dark Knight Rises]

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13. [SPOILERS for Digimon 02]

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14. [SPOILERS for the Borgias]

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15. [SPOILERS for Tales of Symphonia]

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16. [SPOILERS for asoiaf/game of thrones]

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17. [SPOILERS for A Dance With Dragons]

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18. [WARNING for eating disorders]

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19. [WARNING for pedophilia, rape, child abuse]

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Yes, completely ignore my giant paragraphs and link to an article written by a woman that backs up everything I've said and the things I've heard on Dan Savage's podcast.
Or you could, y'know do some reading instead of saying "lol Dan Savage: FAIL."

No, I'm taking into account Dan Savage is the same jerkass who told a rape victim that she needs to get back in the bedroom and start satisfying her husband ( http://www.womanist-musings.com/2010/11/dan-savage-attacks-rape-survivor-while.html ), so he should not be treated as any kind of authority on the subject of women and sex.

Also, if it's a control fantasy that's 100% consensual, it's not rape. Period. End. Calling it "rape fantasy" not only enables rape culture, but helps to downplay and normalize rape itself (because if women can fantasize about it and get off on it, it can't be that bad, right?)

Look, I don't want to get into an argument about Dan Savage and some of the awful things he's said. I enjoy his columns and his podcast. Do I agree with everything he says? Hell no. But about 80-90% of the time, he's giving good advice about subjects most advice columnists won't touch. As a bisexual I get pretty mad at him for repeated comments that bisexuality is rare and in ten years we'll either be straight or gay, and some of his transphobic comments in the past have made me question continuing to follow him, but then I listen to dozens of episodes of his podcast and realize that while he says assholey things from time to time in public talks at colleges and such, that's not an accurate representation of him.
He is an asshole? Yeah, sometimes very much so. But I'm gonna keep listening to him because he's not an asshole most of the time.

A quote from the article you sent me bothered me a lot though:
"And how dare he suggest that she needs to press charges. After being violated in this way, the last thing you need is someone telling you what to do, let alone a misogynist asshole who has all the sensitivity and caring of a drive time shock jock. If a woman chooses not to press charges that is her right and how dare he sit in judgment of her decisions when the criminal justice system regularly puts rape survivors on trial rather than the rapists themselves."
He said "I hope you went to the police and I hope you're pressing charges." Not "you HAVE TO go to the police and press charges." He's said stuff like that on his podcast quite a bit, that it's up to the person themselves whether to report rape or sexual abuse. I don't understand why Renee Martin had such a violent reaction to him telling a rape victim he "hopes" she's seeking legal action against a rapist.

Also, if it's a control fantasy that's 100% consensual, it's not rape. Period. End. Calling it "rape fantasy" not only enables rape culture, but helps to downplay and normalize rape itself (because if women can fantasize about it and get off on it, it can't be that bad, right?)
That's why a lot of people in the BDSM scene prefer to call it "ravishment fantasy." People are slowly transitioning to that, but sometimes it's easier for people to say "rape fantasy" and have other people understand what they mean.

Sure, justify it and rationalize it any way you like. IMO you're supporting a misogynistic, transphobic, biphobic asshole who's really doing far more harm than he will ever do good with a lot of his "advice", and treating a man as an expert on women's issues. And that makes you a fucking idiot who isn't worth listening to.

Ok, so we can't have a discussion about this. More's the pity.
If I hadn't listed Dan Savage as one of my examples, would you have listened to anything I had to say, or are you just using him as an excuse to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore everything I'm saying about ravishment fantasies?

Nope, I wouldn't have listened to it anyway. People who even try to legitimize "rape fantasy" in any manner are also fucking idiots who aren't worth listening to.

(are you always this bad at getting the hint, or are you being especially dense today?)

*sighs* Well, thank you for being honest at least.

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