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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-08-28 06:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #2065 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2065 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Suits]


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03.
[Total Recall]


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04.
[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic]


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[Legend of Korra]


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[Legend of Dragoon]


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[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic]


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08.
[Breath of Fire 4]


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[Pretty Little Liars]


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[SHINee]


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[The Dark Knight Rises]


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[Marvel]


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[Stage Beauty]


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[The Bourne Legacy]


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[The Hunger Games]


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[Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy]


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[The Tribe]


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[Sherlock]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 055 secrets from Secret Submission Post #295.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2012-08-29 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
Not olive brown - just olive. And later her skin was described as pale and white (in the third book, I think). White people can have olive skin, too, you know.
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[personal profile] streetcake 2012-08-29 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
Olive is brown. I know Mediterranean people can have olive skin, but it is also a way to describe skin tones for non-white people. And if the author is gonna say that Katniss is olive-skinned in one book, and also say that there's been a lot of "ethnic-mixing" by the time this story takes place, then say Katniss is white in a later book then that's the writer's problem.

(Anonymous) 2012-08-29 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
my mom is olive-skinned. My totally white German mama. So yeah white people can have olive skin.
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[personal profile] streetcake 2012-08-29 09:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Man, I said in my comment I know white people can have browner skin tones, can't anyone read. :\

[identity profile] nomorenoodles.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 04:09 am (UTC)(link)
I have olive-y skin and I'm white.
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[personal profile] streetcake 2012-08-29 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I know Mediterranean people can have olive skin

a thing I said in my comment

(Anonymous) 2012-08-29 06:13 am (UTC)(link)
Wrong. Olive is frequently used to describe white people, in fact, it was probably used to describe white people before POC.
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[personal profile] streetcake 2012-08-29 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Well apparently they do use it to describe brown skin tones, because the reason they're mad is because of that.

(Anonymous) 2012-08-29 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
These are SJWs we're talking about here. "Olive-skinned" is probably now Newspeak (1984. Orwell. Look it up. This is the SJW Manifesto.) for "POC."
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[personal profile] streetcake 2012-08-30 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry, I won't assume the people who speak about this are SJWs because some anons said so. The places where I read these things are written by people who are being effected by it, so it's dismissive to write them off as ~crazy social justice warriors~ just so I don't have to take them seriously.
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[personal profile] smugbluegaze 2012-08-29 12:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm Mediterranean. I'm white and I have olive skin. :/
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[personal profile] streetcake 2012-08-29 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I know Mediterranean people can have olive skin

a thing I said in my comment

[personal profile] pynapel 2012-08-30 05:06 am (UTC)(link)
Holy shit, did anyone read this comment? You're spot on! It's basic logic:

"olive-skinned"

+

"ethnic-mixing"

=

a woman of color


It's not that fucking hard.

(Anonymous) 2012-08-30 02:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm just amazed how hard this comment is to read, apparently. Is there some magical thing where white people with olive skin will only see the first sentence?

Also, it always kind of distracts me where conversations such as Katniss didn't have to be white, (because she was described as having olive skin, dark (black?) hair, and the story is set in a world where there's been a lot of racial mixing) end up being all about, "White people can be olive-skinned, too!" It's fine to point that out once or twice, but to me it seems like the significant thing is that the message a casting open only to white actors, for a role that could well be played by a non-white actor, is something along the lines, "Non-white girls can't be heroines." That, of course, is repeated quite a few times all over the media, and I just feel like that should be the main topic, not whether white people can be olive-skinned. (Yes, yes they can. And even if they're not, they can still play the olive-skinned heroine.)

(Similarly, one discussion spurred by that idiotic article saying that the main character of Brave was probably a lesbian since she was a tomboy and not interested in romance (as a teenager), focused mostly on "Straight girls can be tomboyish, too!", while the endless stereotyping of lesbians as tomboys and butches (as long as they're really lesbians - the attractive ones always want a men deep down, of course) seems like the more pressing issue. But idk.)

~tl;dr~