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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-08-28 06:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #2065 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2065 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Suits]


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03.
[Total Recall]


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04.
[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic]


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05.
[Legend of Korra]


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06.
[Legend of Dragoon]


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07.
[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic]


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08.
[Breath of Fire 4]


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09.
[Pretty Little Liars]


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10.
[SHINee]


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11.
[The Dark Knight Rises]


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[Marvel]


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[Stage Beauty]


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14.
[The Bourne Legacy]


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15.
[The Hunger Games]


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[Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy]


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17.
[The Tribe]


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18.
[Sherlock]


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Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 055 secrets from Secret Submission Post #295.
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Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2012-08-29 04:39 am (UTC)(link)
when did we get the point where we needed that kind of excuse to dislike a movie?

I wish I knew. I guess people want to have their opinion validated by someone they think is more thoughtful than they are, but at some point, it just gets silly.

2. Sorry, I think I wasn't very clear. That's why I brought up The Scarlet Pimpernel, which is another French Revolution story about saving the poor oppressed rich people from the clutches of the slobbering masses (including those sneaky Jews, oh my!). It rests on the hero pretending to be a flaky dandy type and secretly being shrewd and working under cover… so basically, Batman (I could swear I read something about it being an influence in Batman canon, but I can't find it). And I think we have the same relationship with it that we do with Tale of Two Cities.

3. I think that conservatives can (will?) use exactly the argument you present, and I guess my question is, why do we have to accept that when it is based on fundamental misinformation about Occupy? Bane's so-called revolution doesn't look like Occupy actually looks; it looks like a hostage situation, and its goals are not actually about fairness and social change. It's aping certain left-wing rhetoric (and certain right-wing rhetoric), but at its core is pointless violence. So if a conservative says, This is what the evil socialist ninety-nine-percenters do!! I can feel free to say, lol nope, if that's what it was going for it missed the mark. The fact is, conservatives will use whatever they can to support their values, including completely missing the point of popular media (e.g. the idiotic Bain/Bane thing because OMGliberalhollywoodboo!). So the fact that conservatives can find fodder in this movie doesn't make it inherently a conservative movie to me. I'm sure that's partly a semantic difference, too.

I really appreciate you taking the time to talk to me about this.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2012-08-29 05:55 am (UTC)(link)
2. I see what you mean now. And yeah, that's a good point. Although I think someone could argue that Batman is, in general, kind of a conservative character (see eg this Reginald Hunter video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l1PMVvfjDM) (Reginald Hunter is a funny guy). But that's a whole nother conversation and I wouldn't really insist too much on that interpretation.

3. Well, I mean. "I can feel free to say, lol nope, if that's what it was going for it missed the mark." I think that is what it was going for and it is just incorrect and bad in its portrayal - and that, more broadly, the structure of the movie's plot provides a lot of things that give conservatives ammo to call it a conservative movie (things that are much more realistic than the dumbass Bain/Bane stuff).

But that's ultimately a question, partly of interpretation, and like you say partly a question of semantics as well.