[ SECRET POST #2068 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2068 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.
[Tiger & Bunny]


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02.
[Queer as Folk USA]


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03.
[Devil May Cry]


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04.
[The Key of Awesome! Maroon 5 Payphone Parody: Game of Thrones]


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06.
[Lorraine Star]


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07. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/throwme2thedogs/fablesecret.jpg
[linked for illustrated nudity/porn; Fable]


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11. [SPOILERS for Kamen Rider Fourze]



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12. [WARNING for sexual assault]



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13. [titc #2]


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14. [WARNING for rape, violence]



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15. [WARNING for eating disorders]



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Notes:

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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I thought Tiger & Bunny portrayed two characters who, by the end of the show, love each other very well. The show started with a heterosexual alcoholic absent-father/widower and a guy with messed up memories who's been interested in nothing but revenge for most of his life, and in 25 episodes they became each others' Most Important Person. I don't call that "queer baiting" just because they didn't end up kissing. It wasn't a show about romance, and making that relationship overtly sexual (despite the fact that all of Japan seems to think they're doing it anyway) would have changed what the show was.

If you know anything about the history of T&B, about how *everyone* at Sunrise expected it to fail because of the non-standard main character (middle aged beardo instead of a 13 yo high school genius), you might understand how very remarkable its success is (and how unusual it is that the creators always intended to leave the relationship open to interpretation)and not be griping so much about how it didn't fulfill your personal desires.

FYI, I was aching for a "two daddies" ending myself and was disappointed that they didn't go live together, so I get wanting to see that or more. I just think this complaint ignores how much ground this show actually broke.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, in a way I guess you could say that Kotetsu made Antonio Kaede's second daddy. So, two daddies, just not the way you or the fandom wanted... or something?

Honestly, I think Bunny would make an even worse father than Kotetsu.

[gobbledigook]

...If one of them was female they would have kissed, or at the very least their relationship wouldn't be ~left to interpretation~. That is why it's queer baiting. You don't have to make excuses you know, no one is saying the show is bad.

By the way... what makes you think that confirming that they are romantically involved equals making the relationship "overtly sexual"? What about heterosexual relationships in shows where they're not in the center of the limelight, are they overtly sexual too, just because the audience knows they're romantically involved?

[(Anonymous)]

So two men being very close friends=automatic queer-bating?

[gobbledigook]

No... but when two men are being very close friends to the point where the show trows scenes like this at the audience, they are going for a specific reaction:

http://i.imgur.com/mFyyN.png

I mean, it's fine if you don't ship them or don't see them that way, but people are tired of this because it happens so often they can see when a "male friendship" is just queer baiting from a mile away.

For good comparison think about this, if a show wants to portray two girls in a deep friendship, what would you think if at one point they got into a fight that ended in mud wrestling?

[(Anonymous)]

I honestly never saw the princess carry scenes as ship teasing in any way. I just saw it as Kotetsu ending up in a humiliating position that makes him look goofy and incompetent.

What would I think if two women in a deep friendship ended up mud wrestling? Something along the lines of "Damn male gaze fanservice is everywhere!" I wouldn't think "They're totally doing it! If only the big meany writers would stop teasing me!"

[(Anonymous)]

Same anon should probably also add that she is a slash fan but still doesn't see the princess carry scenes as shippy in any way.

[gobbledigook]

What would I think if two women in a deep friendship ended up mud wrestling? Something along the lines of "Damn male gaze fanservice is everywhere!" I wouldn't think "They're totally doing it! If only the big meany writers would stop teasing me!"

Yes. And just like that mud wrestling scene would be made for titillating male audiences, those bromances are specifically made to make people that want to see them in a relationship interested in them while also not alienating the homophobic viewers. The only difference between the two is that male heterosexual interests are mainstream and so there's no need to be subtle.

That you personally doesn't ship them or see those scenes like that doesn't matter, this kind friendship, and a great deal of the others like it follow this mold, for this specific reason.

And really, people are tired of writers willing to compromise with the homophobic side of the audience, and that they feel the only dignified way for homoerotic relationships to be in the media is by being nonsexual between heterosexual men. That you would reduce that to a childish tantrum is really ignorant and unimpressive.

[(Anonymous)]

Then you'd prefer if bromances were removed completely?

[gobbledigook]

No... I'd rather they didn't take deep friendships between heterosexual people as a good enough substitute between homosexual relationships. I wouldn't mind bromances at all if there were more queer relationships to balance it out, but lately it feels like writers "figured" out that they don't need to have gay characters so long as they add two friends that act just like a couple.

It's pretty insulting, and I feel that even heterosexual friendships would also come off as more genuine if the whole fad settled down.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd like to add here that heterosexual male bromances are, for the viewers, the "civil unions" of television. "They're just like a couple in every way, except they're not a couple! But it's exactly the same! Except for the part where they're not a couple. Why can't you people just be happy with that? It's good enough because we say it's good enough."

[gobbledigook]

Yes. That's a perfect way of putting it, anon. (:

[kittybeard]

re: princess carry.

Part of the issue with the princess carry, or at least the first one, is that the creators came out and stated that if Kotetsu and Barnaby had been a man and a woman they would have fallen in love right then.

[(Anonymous)]

Meaning it's canon by word of god that Kotetsu and Barnaby do not have the hots for each other?

[kittybeard]

Eh? No, that's not what I said.

[(Anonymous)]

Then what does that mean? If Kotetsu and Barnaby had been a man and a woman, they would have fallen in love right there. But they didn't, because they're a man and a man. So they don't have the hots for each other because they're not a man and a woman.

[(Anonymous)]

That's logical fallacy. A resulting in B doesn't mean that not-A results in not-B.

If Tiger and Bunny had gone to a restaurant, they would have gotten something to eat for lunch.
Instead, they went to a restaurant. Therefore, they didn't get lunch.

See how that doesn't work, even though it uses the same logic?

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, I meant to write this:

That's logical fallacy. A resulting in B doesn't mean that not-A results in not-B.

If Tiger and Bunny had gone to a grocery store, they would have gotten something to eat for lunch.
Instead, they went to a restaurant. Therefore, they didn't get anything to eat for lunch.

See how that doesn't work, even though it uses the same logic?

[(Anonymous)]

You're just grasping for Kotetsu/Barnaby-is-totes-canon!!! straws now.

[(Anonymous)]

Hardly. I've seen two episodes of the show.

You're just grasping for argument!!! straws now.

[kittybeard]

Wut? It literally is a logical fallacy O_O

[kittybeard]

Yes, exactly! You put that better than I probably could have.