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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-09-11 06:42 pm

[ SECRET POST #2079 ]


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(Anonymous) 2012-09-11 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Um, I'm not even from the US and I think you should GET OVER IT. A whole bunch of class and regional stereotypes is what it seems to me. And maybe something about having lost the civil war, idk.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-11 11:02 pm (UTC)(link)
It's hard when a large number of southern states hate things like gay marriage, abortion even if it endangers the mother or is rape, evolution as a theory, tries to put up monuments to the founder of the KKK and on and on.

I don't judge individuals but as a group... I try not to but it's hard.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-11 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
...Except that population =/= it's government. I know the state I'm from, which is yes southern, the majority of the actual population supports gay marriage...But the state government doesn't.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-11 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
As some one from a southern state, THANK YOU. Most the people I know here either actively support gay and women's rights or just have a "live and let live" attitude. Very few people I meet are against those things (and most of them are old anyway, and old people all over the country have this attitude, it's not specific to the south)

(Anonymous) 2012-09-11 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT

I know that, I have tons of relatives all over the south. Which is why I don't judge individuals, since they're pretty liberal.

As a group though, especially considering the politicians they're represented by... it's harder. And you can't say that every southern state population shares the same views that are held by yours. It would be an outright lie to say that people in the south are generally socially liberal. That simply isn't true.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-11 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
SA

I would also say that the US as a whole isn't generally socially liberal compared to other 1st world nations. I'm from a state which is considered very liberal, but that doesn't mean the whole nation is or can be called so.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-12 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, someone had to elect those assholes, so the majority must have the same views.
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[personal profile] veronica_rich 2012-09-12 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I was waiting for someone to say this.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-12 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
southern states hate things like…

Is this like the thing where corporations are people?

I Judge The South.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-12 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
Born and raised in Louisiana. When I was in college, the "marriage is only two opposite sex people" amendment passed by 75%. That's a hell of a landslide.

Louisiana also has a "trigger" bill on abortion -- meaning if the Supreme Court ever backed off Roe v. Wade, LA would automatically ban abortion.

There are a lot of nice things about Louisiana, but there's a reason I live in Seattle now.

Interesting tidbit about LA: first state to elect an ethnically Indian governor, but he's conservative as hell, so I guess he satisfies the electorate.
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[personal profile] deadtree 2012-09-12 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
I am a born/bred Texan and yes, we have some really hateful bigoted laws and lawmakers in this state, but please don't judge us all for that. Those of us who are trying to help the state progress could really use the support of people who are currently living with more liberties, or at least not have them judge us all as one giant bigoted group and thus dismiss anything we have to say. Otherwise you're just hurting the causes you support.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-12 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
That's a stereotype, not an overall opinion. African-Americans are more prevalent in the South than anywhere else, a good deal of Asians as well (in fact, the least diverse places in the US are the Midwest and New England; the South has a lot more diversity than Hollywood would have you think), and there are certainly Democrats and Republicans who don't agree with those things. Plenty of bad shit goes down in the northern part of the country, too.

As a Virginian, I can certainly say that sometimes I think the state government is nuts. It's in no way a reflection of my personal views.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-12 04:40 am (UTC)(link)
I find all these things problematic, sure, and it infuriates me to be from a red, Southern state that does, indeed, do all these things. But even assuming election results speak for the general populace (which can be a dangerous assumption, as voter turnouts rarely represent even the majority of those eligible to vote), my state still gave 47% of its votes to Obama in the 2008 election.

Polls generally indicate similar splits on issues of gay marriage, abortion, "teach the controversy," etc. So sure, the majority of our policies are pretty gross, but it is only a very, very slim majority of the people who actually believe in those things -- and no way to tell who, for instance, believes gay marriage is awesome but is strongly opposed to abortion.

So not only are state level politics and legislation a terrible reason to stereotype individuals, but the stereotype isn't even well backed by statistics. You'd need a way larger margin for that to even make sense. Even poor education -- which I will grant exists in droves in my state -- isn't an indicator of lower intelligence or an inability to think critically, so it would be great if we could leave the stereotypes at the door. I'll be down here peddling my atheist, Marxist, feminist critiques of everything in my classy as fuck Scarlett O'Hara drawl, if you need me.
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[personal profile] visp 2012-09-11 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah... I think you mean well but you don't quite get what you're talking about.