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So what happened with Moffat leaving Twitter? Was he just harassed after the season opener too much, or what? I guess that'd be hard to take in such volume ...

His wife, Sue Venture, tweeted that Twitter was too much of a distraction for him.

With what he's supposed to be writing, I can see that. :-)

Basically people tweeted so much hate and harassed him so much that he deleted it.
His wife said it was too time consuming but at the same time Amanda Abbington tweeted saying she noticed he had left and that was due to hate (screencap http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma30ahPo9g1qzja8fo1_500.png)
And today she tweeted this http://www.twitlonger.com/show/j8csi9 saying how she was done with the subject and she was now receiving death threats.

I can't believe some people. Specially those who on Tumblr are all about not bullying anybody and being so fucking inclusive and the like and then send fucking death threats to someone for writing something they don't like (oh wait, something they "find problematic") or someone who had nothing to do and only tried to stick up for a friend.

Nobody ever sees that on the other side of the mirror is that person from that group they despise and would never, ever be anything like because they have such a fucking moral high ground.

That's a shame. I don't like everything he does, but there's a difference between asking a question (that might not even be answered, most likely, on Twitter - you gotta let those go) and harassing, geez.

Oh, problematic. I think I can see where this train wrecked, then. Well, those fans did themselves out of a prime source of info and stories, didn't they? Kind of dumb.

Yeah, the sad thing is that is not only them that lost the source of info and stories, the non rude non harassing fans lost it too :c

Man, I don't agree with people sending threats or harassing him by a long shot, but dang Abbington has got it wrong.

Moffat IS sexist and his work has a lot of problematic elements. He's gone on the record saying a lot of gross things about women and sexuality, and it bleeds through in his work.

Going on to basically say 'you guys have no lives!' and 'Moffat has done great things for BBC television and you haven't so shut up!' just kind of proves that they're not as open to criticism as she likes to claim. Bonus points for saying 'we're open to crit' and 'DON'T LIKE DON'T WATCH' in the same bloody sentence.

It's a shame that the idiots spewing bile and death threats have become the voice of any criticism towards him and his work at all. Moffat needs to understand the issues with his work and why people are upset, not be handed excuses to plug his ears and ignore it. (Stop being awful people, idiots.)

sending death threats isn't criticism, so I think saying "If you hate it so much you'll send death threats about it, then don't watch it" and "we're open to criticism" is valid IMO.

I'd agree if she hadn't added that Moffat isn't sexist/homophobic at the beginning and then tied that into the death threats and her general 'don't like don't read' message. To me that says that 'we accept criticism but these criticisms aren't valid so DON'T LIKE DON'T READ'.

It also lumps in people who think Moffat is sexist with people who are sending death threats, and the two are not mutually exclusive.

I think you're reading too much into it. Sure, she might not believe he's sexist or homophobic, but even if she did would throwing death threats at him be OK?

She's upset and angry because she defended someone and got death threats for it. I don't think her reaction is really that over-the-top. And honestly, if he's sexist and homophobic, then why watch it? Watching it and fanning over it and giving it attention is only helping and supporting it, isn't it? If it's so bad that it's worthy of death threats, she's right, they shouldn't be watching it.

I don't know where you got the idea that I thought the death threats were in any way justifiable, so let's just clarify here: they're not.

However, I still think she is lumping critics of Moffat in with the people sending death threats. If this were solely about death threats, then she wouldn't have gone on a long rant on how she was a feminist. She's not rebutting people who are sending her death threats when she talks about that - she's rebutting people who think Moffat is sexist.

The rant is aimed at Moffat's critics and the assholes alike. She doesn't make an effort to separate the two. Thus, the unfortunate implication ends up being that they are one and the same.

I'm sure she was writing angry and didn't mean it that way, but that doesn't change what the words she's written down actually say.

Also, really? Don't watch anything he does ever because he's sexist and homophobic?

Let's say I do. I drop out silently. Now there are still thousands, even millions of people watching his work, many of them not knowing any better.

What changes? My mood, I guess! I feel better because I'm not watching it. But does that make Moffat stop and think about his work? More importantly, does it make his audience stop and think?

With something as large and beloved as Doctor Who or Sherlock, dropping out and ignoring it isn't going to help anyone in the long run. But if you argue against sexism when it shows up, you create discussion, and that slowly promotes change.

I love Doctor Who, and I enjoyed Sherlock. It's because I care about them that I criticise the direction he takes the show and the elements that he promotes as okay (like a woman being worthless if her womb is barren, for example).

I think in the end my whole issue with this debacle is that now everyone criticising Moffat over anything is going to be 'one of those assholes from Twitter', and that's just really bad, because Moffat is in serious need of criticism.

(anon who replied with the links)

I understand that sometimes there is valid criticism about his work but most times I feel like people are LOOKING for something to be offended about, just nitpicking everything and twisting the truth so it fits in their "Moffat is sexist/misogynist/homophobic/an idiot box" and that's what grates on my nerves.

Let's have an example with Sherlock and Irene. I can understand people being kind of wtf at her being gay yet falling for Sherlock. I can understand people being annoyed at the ton of "we're not a couple" jokes.
However, I can't fucking understand people being upset about Sherlock saving Irene at the end, because I just don't see that as "oh look the MAN is saving the woman, dur dur" but as Sherlock saving his "enemy" at the end, and it having nothing to do with her being female. Heck, how many times do Sherlock and John save each other, why don't people fixate on that?

Same with the wank about Amy's infertility. I didn't get the idea of "woman being worthless if their womb is barren" at all. That would have been if Rory did leave her because of that!
Rory didn't even know that that was "the problem" and the reason Amy wanted to break up. I can totally understand Amy feeling Rory wouldn't love her if she can't give her children because that's how the human mind works, we know things not to be true but get hung up on our insecurities until they destroy us. It would have been totally plausible if the fight was about the man not being able to get her pregnant, too (I mean, not here because of the whole plot with the flesh and the Silence and that, but in other context the roles could have been inverted)
That was Amy's idea, which then was proved to be wrong when Rory came back with her once he knew why she had wanted to "give him up" as she says. So I can't see the big awful misogynist background, sorry. Actually, it's a perfect example of how the possibility of having kids is not everything in a couple.

I'm not attacking you in particular, I just get very frustrated with people because it's true that there is misogyny in society, but there are so many blatant examples that I just don't get why people focus their energies on things like this.

Er, except the problem with Sherlock saving Irene is, that's the complete opposite of the actual ending to SCAN.

"What changes? My mood, I guess! I feel better because I'm not watching it. But does that make Moffat stop and think about his work? More importantly, does it make his audience stop and think?"

I'm one of the "dropouts" but I didn't go that silently...and my criticism had nothing to do with any of the SJW baloney, I just don't like the choices they made in departing from the original canon. So, yeah, I'm one of the ones who no longer watches, and no longer comments, although I had largely dropped out of the fandom shortly after their adaptation of SCAN aired.

Here's the thing, though: These SJWs are screaming and hollering about "problematic" this and "problematic" that (which I never noticed, personally, but I don't watch fictional television shows with a Political Correctness Detector firmly in place), and half the time, the words they're hollering about aren't even "problematic" except in their 1984-like little mindscapes.

Mind you, the death threats fit in with 1984 too.....Scratch that. Brazil is a better comparison.

The teenagers making these death threats probably think they're only typing words and send them out into the vapid hive mind of the Internet, and they probably feel that "DIAF" doesn't "really" mean anything, as far as they're concerned.

HOWEVER. Obviously, the woman is upset; especially if it's setting off her "bully radar" or making her uncomfortable (which, hmm, yeah I thought the SJWs were supposed to fight against that, not cause it...now who's "problematic" hmmmmm).

TL:DR; Different anon doesn't have a dog in the hunt re: BBC Sherlock because I don't watch it anymore, but seriously, the SJWs are really start to show their true colours. As in, they're not trying to "fix" any of the "problems" they see, rather they're causing as many problems as they can. And the world is a poorer place for it.

Thank you for saying this. I think it's horrible Abbington and Moffat received threats and hate, but now fans are receiving it too as a result even if they never talked to either of them.

And now it's like you can't even criticize Moffat anymore, even in a rational manner in a space far away from twitter, because it's like "Oh, you're one of those mean bullies who pushed Moffat off twitter!"

I've never even spoken to Moffat nor do I write articles that he would have access too, but I still don't like this idea that people can't have a discussion about how problematic he is because he left fucking twitter.

I just want to point out that now fans are receiving threats too. Not just the fans who send hate and threats, but people who have written articles that are genuinely intelligent about Moffat's sexism are now getting tons of crap for it, regardless of whether or not they ever talked to Moffat on twitter once.

It's a clusterfuck all around. I don't think Moffat should have ever engaged the critical fans in the first place and I'm glad he deleted his twitter if it was bothering him, I just wish it wouldn't have caused so much drama as a result.

...death threats?

death threats?!

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Death threats!

The fandom has gone from tongue-in-cheek crazy to full-blown rabidly insane, hasn't it? Those poor people.

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