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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

"It might be the reason, but it's still not an excuse for doing shitty things."

I hate this line of thinking. See, the thing is... sometimes people with these conditions truly do not have full control over their actions. Yes, there are people who are assholes and will claim that that applies to them when it doesn't as an excuse to do terrible things. But sometimes it's true. What should matter is what the person in question does, thinks, and says when they are able to be in control of themselves. Yes, it can be hard to tell when that applies, and yes, you need more information to judge any one particular situation accurately.

[(Anonymous)]

In other words, tolerate their bullshit because poor them, they can't control themselves? I don't think so. If they can't control themselves, they should get the fuck off the internet.

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree about control. If someone shoots me, I don't give a shit if they were temporarily insane or overwhelmed by emotions or not. I don't care if they could help it. I got shot.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know where you live, but if ever you do get shot you might be surprised to discover that at least in the Western World legal codes and courts of law usually do take such circumstances into account.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd be more sympathetic but I wouldn't absolve them of all responsibility.

[(Anonymous)]

Speaking as someone who works very closely with a lot of folks who have autism spectrum disorders in real life...

No.

Based on my experience, nine times out of ten, if someone knows enough to know that they're autistic, they're going to be very careful about the way they act online because they know that they're bad at picking up social cues. They won't just be a jerk and then expect it to be brushed off because they're autistic. They'll be trying really hard and making an effort because, hey, they do actually care what other people think.

Not to mention that there's nothing about autism spectrum disorders that prevents people from really being in control of their actions. Autism spectrum disorders mostly stem from overstimulation--lights, sounds, sensations, tastes, things that people without those disorders wouldn't notice. While it might cause someone to snap every now and then, it certainly wouldn't remove control of their actions to the point of what the OP is describing, nor would the overstimulation excuse their actions, any more than "oh, I snapped and treated you badly because I was stuck in traffic for two hours" would. To suggest otherwise isn't being fair to people who do have these disorders--it's treating them with kiddie gloves and not allowing them to develop past the point of saying "well yes, they were mean, but they have autism so it's okay."

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. There is absolutely a difference between "I'm autistic; I can't pick up on things as quickly; I'm sorry for what I did" and "I'm autistic stop victimizing me it's not my fault waaaaaaaaaaaah"

[(Anonymous)]

This. I know several people with autism or Aspergers IRL, and none of them use it as an excuse to act like a jackass.

[(Anonymous)]

I've also met quite a few people with autism/aspergers online, and none of them use it as an excuse to act like jackasses either. (Well, I have no actual proof that they have it of course, but the way they talk about it makes me inclined to believe them. As opposed to people who only develop autism when called out on their bad behavior.)

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Most intelligent thing I've heard from this whole thread.

that is all

[(Anonymous)]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgNuO8QXIZQ

[(Anonymous)]

UGH, YES, THIS.

Also, maybe it's because a lot of my interaction with individuals on the autism spectrum is through my work with special ed students, but I don't understand why anyone who has a PDD decides to label themselves as "autistic". Autism is EXTREMELY different from having Asperger Syndrome - they are, in fact, different disorders. Autism denotes a certainly level of functionality very different from your average Asperger patient.

Someone will probably flame me for that, but honestly, having the functionality to write a 3 page rant on someone's unwanted concrit just sounds like classifying your headache as a migraine or your low blood sugar as hypoglycemia to get attention and to make you sound more dramatic.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand why anyone who has a PDD decides to label themselves as "autistic".

autism is a pdd. atypical autism is diagnosed as pdd-nos. why wouldn't they call themselves autistic when they are, in fact, autistic?

[(Anonymous)]

I think you are confused about the relationship between Aspergers and Autism. Asperger syndrom is an autism spectrum disorder. Aspergers is very similar to *high functioning* autism. In fact, some people believe that Asperger syndrom should be removed as a diagnosis and instead have autism spectrum disorders

[(Anonymous)]

What's your opinion on the DSM integrating Autism, Asperger Syndrome, PDD-NOS, and (I believe?) Childhood Disintegrative Disorder in to the single diagnosis of Autism Spectrum Disorder?

Asperger's can often present almost identically to high-functioning Autism, and sometimes the only way to distinguish between the two is to see if there was a speech delay. (My friend, started speaking at four, HFA. Me, started speaking at eight months and in full sentences by thirteen months, AS. That aside, our symptoms are basically identical.)

Under a unified diagnosis of ASD, yes, someone with Asperger's can refer to themselves as autistic, and, indeed, I do.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, except the autistic people who *do not realise* they are bad at social cues (exhibit A, my son - who is NOT an asshole thanks, because we don't let stuff slide, but very good at putting his foot firmly in it, usually his mouth) because they do not have that much self-awareness...

[(Anonymous)]

They're still in control of their actions, and I hope that you still hold your son responsible for the social missteps he makes and that, once he's been made aware that there was a misstep, he apologizes and tries to rectify the situation instead of saying, "Oh, well, I have autism so you shouldn't be mad at me."

[dweo]

I agree. I'm on the spectrum (PDD-NOS) and I can be a dick, but that is just me being a dick. I can also be clueless and if people tell me what I did was problematic I will listen, think about it, apologize if necessary and add it to my long list of things to pay attention to. I have my coping mechanisms (I always wait 5 minutes before posting a message; if unsure I ask somebody to read it over, etc.)

Autism is a lot like being a tourist in a strange country where you barely speak the language. You will make mistakes, but you will listen to what the locals have to tell you and try to avoid being deliberately rude.

[(Anonymous)]

I really like your analogy there about language. I've noticed not all people with Asperger's, high functioning Autism go to the same trouble as you do. Sometimes people around them will put up with things that aren't really socially acceptable or appropriate, because they feel the person can't help being the way they are, whereas in fact they would be more helpful if they tell them, as you say.

Also I've felt sometimes that if a person online has posted about their condition, then I experience them being obnoxious, I tend to just back away rather than engage with it.

[(Anonymous)]

A-fucking-men. Thank you.

[(Anonymous)]

They may not have control over their actions, but that doesn't excuse them from the responsibility and consequences. I believe the worst thing you could do to someone with a condition such as that is to infantilize them and treat them like they're incapable of being held responsible. People get out of life (or death) sentences for insanity charges, but that doesn't mean they get a pat on the head and walk out of the courtroom.

[(Anonymous)]

Three words:

Christian Weston Chandler

[(Anonymous)]

I don't care why someone is abusive. If they are abusive, that's not okay. If they're my family or friends, I might care about their reasons, but on the internet? No. I do not care.

Conditions are not an excuse to be an asshole.

[partialsatyr]

having autism or bipolar or what-have-you absolutely does not absolve somebody of their behavior. speaking as someone who forced his family to walk on eggshells for five fucking years because they were too scared to hold me to the decency standards of a normal human being.
it's important to understand that yes, sometimes people cant control themselves, and that's a terrible shame. that does not mean they get a free pass to be a raging asshole. our actions have consequences, regardless of what is driving us to act a certain way. not to mention it is patronizing as fuck to have people slather you with forgiveness because of your condition when any other douchebag would have been kicked out to the curb.
if i do something terrible, i deserve every bit of fallout i get, regardless of whether i'm in my right mind or not.

oops i have a lot of feelings on this subject

CHRIS CHAN

[(Anonymous)]

So what about when they're racist or sexist, hm? Should we just let some white, male autistic brat abuse women and blacks because he's autistic?

Nice.