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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-09-12 07:00 pm
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(Anonymous) 2012-09-13 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
To put it simply, the CBS version is born out of the desire to make an American version of the BBC version.

It's a modern adaptation, right on the heels of the success of the BBC version. Sure, we can talk about "unfortunate timing", but it doesn't change the fact that CBS first approached Moffat and Gatiss for the rights to do an adaptation, were rejected and decided to push ahead in spite of this.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-13 02:27 am (UTC)(link)
...And that makes it 'okay' for anyone to make racist/sexist comments...how? Because that, plus the whole 'EW, AMERICA' thing [that always happens when anything is a remake, warranted or not], seems to be the main problem most of the people I've talked to about it have.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-13 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
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Where did I say that? Where, in my discussion of the origins of the show that doesn't even mention the idea of Watson as a WOC, did I say that the dodgy origins of the show makes it "okay" for someone to make sexist/racist comments?

My response was intended to point out a sane, non-racist, non-sexist, reason why CBS' version hasn't been received well by the Sherlock fandom. This attitude was long in effect before Watson was genderswapped and Liu was cast. I'm sorry I didn't put a disclaimer saying "btw, this doesn't excuse the batshit portion of fandom making racist and/or sexist comments". I would've thought that was obvious.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-13 04:09 am (UTC)(link)
Naw, Brits are just generally "ew, American". They're kind of douches about their former colony.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-13 05:35 am (UTC)(link)
+1

(Anonymous) 2012-09-13 06:42 am (UTC)(link)
Americans ask for it.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-13 12:44 pm (UTC)(link)
In fairness, a not insubstantial number of Americans are frequently "ew, American", not to mention people from innumerable other countries. I don't think it's a former colony thing, although I suppose that might contribute. Can you provide corroborating examples of British attitudes towards other former colonies?

(Anonymous) 2012-09-13 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
Except it's no longer an adaptation of the BBC show, Sherlock Holmes will also be popular and successful even when the audience is new to Holmes (because, really, what kid had read ACD before watching VeggieTales or Wishbone?), and there is a (to the average fan) new twist with Watson as a woman.

It's not really worth saying that it's vamping off the success of BBC's version as the general reason for making an American adaptation is that it's a good idea but Americans won't watch the original since it's not in AmE.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-13 07:44 am (UTC)(link)
Fine, great. It's its own adaptation. Congrats to them from getting so far away from the BBC version, especially after Sue Vertue's public comments about suing over the similarities. The origins, however, are still side-eye worthy.

And yeah, I'm sure the massive popularity for the show in the UK has nothing to do with why an American company would want to adapt it.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-13 10:50 am (UTC)(link)
Sue Vertue's public temper tantrum, you mean.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-13 05:09 pm (UTC)(link)
" (because, really, what kid had read ACD before watching VeggieTales or Wishbone?)"

Me. I had. I'm the weirdo.

seriously though. I agree with you, and the thing that makes this crazy is that, from what I've seen, Elementary and Sherlock aren't even that similar - obviously they're both set in the modern world, but they're presenting fairly different takes on the character and the central relationship. It's kind of wack that people are so obsessed with them being the same.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-13 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Me too. I was big mystery fan in middle school. I went to a small school (about 100-150 people per grade) and nearly cleaned out the library's limited mystery section.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-13 10:47 am (UTC)(link)
They didn't push ahead and make the adaptation they asked BBC permission to make, they shrugged off the rejection and made a different adaptation.
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