[ SECRET POST #2082 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2082 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Fate/Zero]


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05. [SPOILERS for Journey Into Mystery/Everything Burns]



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06. [SPOILERS for Avengers]



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07. [SPOILERS for Sweeney Todd]



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09. [WARNING for depression/suicide]

[Wilby Wonderful (2004)]


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10. [WARNING for abuse]

[True Blood]


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11. [WARNING for rape]



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12. [WARNING for suicide/self-harm]

[Alex Gaskarth/All Time Low]


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13. [WARNING for abuse]



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14. [WARNING for abuse/bullying]



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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #297.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ],.
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[intrigueing]

Except that's kind of realistic. If a hundred nameless people die, you'll willingly drop everything to try and track down the guy who murdered them and be pissed at him and do your best to make sure no one else gets hurt, but no one's gonna cry over them.

But...from this comment, I take it that you mean you didn't like the actual plot of the movie and wanted it to be written differently? That's a perfectly valid complaint, but it doesn't hinge on one incident.

[(Anonymous)]

No, not the entire plot. Only that aspect, which, due to how pivotal it was, would require some changes. I only would have liked the emotional upheaval that caused the whole story to come together not to have hinged on a single guy who met the same fate as a bunch of other people earlier in the movie. And then not have that guy acknowledge that in the story.

They wouldn't even have had to not have Coulson die or whatever, they could have just not established that so many people were killed and have it not come up later as sufficient reason to stop having an Angry Beavers slapfight about S.H.I.E.L.D. and be a team. It's the motivation coming from one and not the other -- of course you'd be more sad if a friend died, but if you're a superhero, it shouldn't matter when you have powers you have devoted to protecting people.

[intrigueing]

I understand what you mean, but I think that would kind of destroy the whole point of the movie. The Avengers' "fatal flaw", so to speak, was that their friction briefly outweighed their heroism (and not without aggravation from Loki's scepter, btw) and they really, really paid for that. It's a very classic Divided We Fall/Apple Of Discord trope that's as old as time and very, very, very much rooted in real life. But they're human, they make mistakes and aren't always perfect. And after failing so horribly, they pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and resolved to do it right this time.

And I think you keep assuming they wouldn't have teamed up if Coulson hadn't died, which I think it completely untrue. They would have teamed up with or without Coulson's death -- the attack on the Helicarrier was definitely enough to force them to work together, but that alone had no emotional dimension whatsoever and their teamwork would've been functional, not awesome and cheer-worthy and emotional. It would have no soul. Can you imagine them having an epic badass heroic team-up moment because someone said "remember! 80 people (who the audience never saw) died!"? The audience would never have given a single fuck, and the characters wouldn't have had any strong emotions about it either. Just dutiful dullness.

Also, I think this movie is what made them into real superheroes. It's not like they all had years of experience fighting on a superhero team with other superheroes before this movie, so I would've been unconvinced if they had been all "teamwork! duty! Yay!"

[(Anonymous)]

You make good points. I still find the dichotomy between bringing up how many people died and the Coulson thing to be odd, but I think that could have been averted by having one and not the other. That is probably because Joss Whedon breaks out in hives if he doesn't have a joke every so often and dead people just ended up being a casualty.

I'm still ticked about that line though.

[intrigueing]

*shrugs* I guess different people notice certain things more sharply and immediately than other people?

Like, I thought Maria Hill was an awesome badass, but that's probably because I'm a big How I Met Your Mother fan and was therefore noticing her a lot more than most viewers, who thought she was boring.

[(Anonymous)]

Or perceive different things entirely!