[ SECRET POST #2082 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2082 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Fate/Zero]


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05. [SPOILERS for Journey Into Mystery/Everything Burns]



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06. [SPOILERS for Avengers]



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07. [SPOILERS for Sweeney Todd]



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09. [WARNING for depression/suicide]

[Wilby Wonderful (2004)]


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10. [WARNING for abuse]

[True Blood]


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11. [WARNING for rape]



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12. [WARNING for suicide/self-harm]

[Alex Gaskarth/All Time Low]


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13. [WARNING for abuse]



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14. [WARNING for abuse/bullying]



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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #297.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ],.
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[intrigueing]

Er, I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree. You've got Tony's role down pat, but everyone was not fitting into place, not just Tony.

Thor was obsessing over Loki and standing around moodily not talking to anyone, dismissing their arguments as "petty". Natasha not only also not talking to anyone, but was also actively helping Fury manipulate them, especially Bruce, for SHIELD's purposes. Steve was alternating between bossing people around and blindly trusting Fury because he was a fish out of water and felt completely lost in the future. Tony was...exactly what you said. Bruce was clashing with Fury and Natasha over the Hulk and adamantly refusing to do anything beyond his scientific consulting. They all pretty much sucked, really badly, and I loved how much they all sucked and how there was a giant fucking vacuum where the Only Sane Man should have been. Because omg. They suuuuuuucked. Almost gleefully so.

But Coulson's death galvanized both Tony and Steve. Pretty equally, I think. The moment where Steve looks at the cards, you can tell that he was thinking that he had betrayed his old ideals and let a fellow soldier down, and you can tell he's pretty much resolving to lead again like he did in the '40s, like the man whose picture was on the cards. And Tony...exactly what you said.

And Loki's The Reason You Suck Speech galvanized Natasha, as she explicitly admitted to Clint ("you're a spy, not a soldier"). Being de-brainwashed galvanized Clint (No duh. Eye-stabbing = massive underreaction.). Loki killing Coulson right in front of him while Coulson was trying to stop Loki from killing him (not Coulson's death per se -- but the fact that Loki showed himself to be so cruel and far gone and that Coulson trying to save him) galvanized Thor. One can assume that a combination of personal morality and Tony's encouragement galvanized Bruce (although according to the deleted scene, Old Security Guard had a big role in getting Bruce to go, which is why I was glad that scene was cut -- too disconnected from the rest of the movie).

And I'm sure Coulson also had some impact on Natasha and (if Natasha even told him) Clint, seeing as he was their boss.

But you're right that they definitely did not just all just simultaneously pull a Cobie Smulders and go "omg Coulson you will be avennnnnged!" and decide to just work together for his sake. It was far more complex and organic than that.

[truxillogical]

You're right. I was kind of going fast-and-dirty with my focus on Tony and that really loses all the nuance of how the death worked story-wise. Honestly, that's what keeps it from feeling like a cheap fridging or something--the fact that it worked on multiple levels.

I just think Tony was the one who knew Coulson most (if not best) out of the four main guys, so he probably took the loss itself more personally, while for, say, Cap, it was symbolic. And your point about Thor is my favorite--the loss of so bold a warrior as the Son of Coul was indeed a grievous one, but it's actually the moment of seeing his brother murder a friend of his, instead of just hearing about Loki Doing Bad Things.

Organic's a good word for it.

[intrigueing]

YES YES I loved how different the reactions were for different people. There was no unrealistic groupthink going on where everyone's emotions get lumped together and get appropriated by one character's normative statement -- each person's reaction was different depending on their character.

Like, Bruce had no reaction, since he definitely couldn't have found out what happened until after the battle, and he didn't know Coulson at all and might not even remember who he was. Whereas Tony's reaction was always gonna be the most emotive and hysterical, partly because he knew Coulson longer and better than all the non-SHIELD members, but partly because he's just a guy. He's not a spy or a soldier or a warrior, he's never trained for or lived or worked in an environment that taught him how to deal with people he knew getting killed. Which led to that fantastic exchange where he and Steve have completely different yet absolutely equally valid understandings of what losing a soldier means and you can almost see their minds operating on totally unconnected planes of thought.

Also I think RDJ killed me a little with his face in that scene :( Still haven't recovered, tbqh. Can't even look at the gifsets, which makes me feel all kinds of silly but damn, this movie. It just begs for emotional investment.