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⌈ Secret Post #2088 ⌋

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AYRT (cont)

[(Anonymous)]

Also, having an all-male cast or an all-white cast can also read as unrealistic. It just depends how you execute it. If you write a book about an all boys school where the guys really only hang out with guys, then, yeah, that makes sense. But I remember reading a book about guys at a public school who only hung out with other guys. It just read as sloppy to me. None of the guys were wallflowers, so I didn't really understand why they never spoke to girls and had no female friends to speak of.

Same applies to an all-white cast. If you're writing about a mainly white setting, then, yeah, I get it. But some metropolis area full of people with different races? Yeah, then you're just being lazy and inaccurate.

Re: AYRT (cont)

[(Anonymous)]

Anon that mentioned the draftees scenario:

I agree with you, then. If you're going for something set in real-world, you should be realistic; even if female characters aren't significant main characters, having every single character be male in a public school, or every single person be white in an inner city setting, is unrealistic.

Though... what you're talking about is sloppy writing, and sloppy writing is bad for being sloppy, not inherently because it lacks female characters.

Re: AYRT (cont)

[(Anonymous)]

"Also, having an all-male cast or an all-white cast can also read as unrealistic."

So all-white is a problem but say...all-black isn't a problem?

How does that make sense, especially if the story has a fantasy setting.

Re: AYRT (cont)

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT, but I would say the two things aren't comparable at all because you have hundreds of years worth of books about white guys written for white guys, and unless you're studying oral tradition, there's pretty scant recognition of any longstanding literary culture focused on black people. Which means that a few books about black guys does not drown out the books about white guys that make up the majority of western canon.

I know people like to say, "but what about the other way around!!" in discussions of representation, but like, no. That's not how it works.

Re: AYRT (cont)

[(Anonymous)]

Yea but would you rather have rich, well thought out stories that represent all diffident kinds of peoples, and cultures written with genuine interest and care. Or the media just subbing a black guy in place of a white guy regardless of historical, or story based context.

Tokenism isn't the answer. Neither is making 'stories about white guys' some kinda side-eye crime.

Big media is a problem, but I really do think that the ball is rolling, we will get there in time, we just have to let it happen.

Re: AYRT (cont)

[(Anonymous)]

DA

"Or the media just subbing a black guy in place of a white guy regardless of historical, or story based context."

I don't think people generally want to see that, though... at least, not the people who aren't a)trolls or b)fringe. Rather, the media should be willing to sub a black guy in place of a white guy if there are no other factors like history or other context to prohibit it. You have a character in modern times in a small city-- his upstairs neighbor could be anything, so why specify them as another white person?

"...but I really do think that the ball is rolling, we will get there in time, we just have to let it happen."

The ball only starts rolling in the first place from people pushing at it, and I don't think we're at the point where it has enough of its own inertia yet.

Re: AYRT (cont)

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

The comment I replied to specifically said, "So all-white is a problem but say...all-black isn't a problem?" so tokenism isn't what I'm talking about at all. Did you leave this comment in the right place?