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fandomsecrets2012-09-21 06:48 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2012-09-21 06:48 pm
[ SECRET POST #2089 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2089 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Slender Man]
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[TGWTG]
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[Twin Peaks]
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[Jojo's Bizarre Adventure]
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[Journey Into Mystery]
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[Wanted]
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[Tiger & Bunny]
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[Bionicle]
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #298.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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What is "the way they should"? And why should they, anyway? For a lot of producers, there's not really a difference. Being a producer is a significant part of their "real life." Why shouldn't they share that, or any other part of their lives, with whomever they like, however they like? They're not high-ranking politicians or highly-paid "real" celebrities. They're people on the internet who do stuff on the internet that other people like. Being able to press a "record" button on a video camera doesn't make anyone a magical fairy uber-being of ascended untouchable godliness any more than having a driver's license gives you superpowers. It makes them just another person... with a video camera.
(By the way, hi, I'm Ven, I make title cards for Brows Held High on TGWTG and for about a year now have also been involved in the production of Brows Held High in varying degrees as co-writer, props manager, costuming, camera direction, and... moral support by watching the shit Kyle reviews with him. I've contributed to other shows, too, doing everything from editing scripts to providing cameos. Should I stop interacting with the rest of the internet too?)
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Basically, you were totally right to call me out on that and I shouldn't write comments on F!S after midnight. ^^; I'm really sorry.
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Kyle and I have ALSO gotten into trouble for being naughty little critters on teh internetz, as have a number of other producers, with various levels of public awareness. Some have faded into memories only archived forum posts contain, others still are occasionally brought up (for example, accusations of Hope being a homophobe), but basically... the thing is, no one who gets signed on as a producer or TGWTG staff knows how to handle "fame." Every single one of us is just some random douchebag with a username until suddenly we get endorsed by a KNOWN name. And then suddenly people start making assumptions about who we are and what we do and what we know, people start paying attention to random shit that previously no one would ever have given a single fuck about or remembered we did, suddenly our bad moods and tasteless jokes have ramifications (or rewards), suddenly something worded badly follows us for YEARS, and something done as a result of bad judgment is damning in a much more real-life-impacting and lasting way.
No one gets signed on as a producer on any site knowing how to deal with that, and no one learns the politics of their own fan base the same way, because they're all very different. So there's no handbook anyone gets when they become a TGWTG producer or artist. The user manual is "Try to use common sense. Failing that, whatever fallout you get, suck it up and move on. Or don't. Whatever works."
Publicly-accessible "drama" among TGWTG producers and fans is... not CONSTANT, but does happen regularly. Because there are a fucking lot of us, we're all very different and very PASSIONATE people, and passionate people who don't see eye to eye can tend to be unstable when combined. That's as true of artists and comedians and producers as it is of religions and politics sometimes. That can't be helped and can't be avoided. The best way to deal with it is to ride it out and put it behind you, because in the long run it doesn't really matter. Unlike with politics and religion, no one's souls or human rights are staked on our little tiffs. We're just making videos we hope people enjoy. For a lot of producers, that's a significant part, if not ALL, of their income and livelihood, so there's THAT at stake, and that makes matters feel stressed, but in the end.... it's still just a job, we're just idiots on the internet trying to entertain and inform people, and it kind of SHOULDN'T matter if you, the audience, do not like the creators as people. Having the audience like us as people is good for PR, and helps us not lose viewers and gain more commissions (in the case of us artists), but at the end of the day it doesn't change the work we do and you don't HAVE to interact with any of us.
Long ramble short: I feel like people who bitch about producer/staff conduct should more often be countered with "Well, you asked" rather than given sympathy because they looked for the people who made something they love and didn't like what they found. I don't necessarily like that a lot of red coloring in food is made by crushing up tiny beetles either but what can you do, you know? I still like strawberry yogurt. XD
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But yeah, I can see where you're coming from. I've been considering starting a blog and YouTube channel lately, and I doubt it'll get much attention, but I have been doing a lot of thinking about what I'm comfortable with people knowing about my personal life on the odd chance that somehow it happens and I actually get a following. So it's something that's been on my mind a lot? On one hand, yeah, if you're someone that can't stand someone's work if you know too much about them personally, it's probably better if you avoid them on social media and the like.
On the other hand...while "well, you asked" is maybe a valid response, I think "well, you answered" might be, too? Just because fans want to know about personal details doesn't mean you have to give it to them. And I can also see why people would find it upsetting if someone whose work they enjoyed ended up having opinions they found morally repugnant. Not necessarily the times that someone slips up and says something they shouldn't have (but recognizes it and apologizes for it and doesn't happen again) or someone who used to have certain opinions or parroted something because of their parents but has changed their mind (like I think it was with JO and the accusations of her being homophobic? or, at the very least, the difference between my opinion on some things as a teen and my opinion now). But when someone constantly and unapologetically voices beliefs that you find offensive...I can see why people might not want to follow their work anymore. (I think Nostalgia Chick even talked about this recently concerning Orson Scot Card in a video?)
I'm not sure if people on f!s are necessarily looking for sympathy, either, since us commenters aren't always a supportive bunch. Sometimes they might just want to get it out and this is a good place to let out a secret about a fandom because it's...well...fandom!secrets.
tl;dr--I can see both sides of the issue--I can completely understand why it'd be frustrating or upsetting to have something you mentioned constantly brought up over and over again when it should be laid to rest, but I can also understand why people might get disappointed if they look up a favorite producer and end up being really disappointed.