[ SECRET POST #2094 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2094 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Pairing Order

[ariakas]

People who don't seem as concerned with shorter/cheerful/energetic/pretty = bottom don't seem as inclined to muck with characterization to get seme/uke dynamics.

Basically, this. If one character has the stereotypical "bottom" characteristics (e.g. Naruto is shorter, cheerful, etc.) and a writer/artist is having them top anyway, it's an excellent sign that they're more interested in the characters themselves than finding an "uke" and a "seme". There are exceptions, obviously (some excellent Sasunaru writers) but gunning straight for the Narusasu, thusly, is a good way to cut through the chaff.

Interestingly, both in Sasunaru and my new fandom, the stereotypical bottom isn't just feminized - he's often straight up turned into a woman. Whereas with the other dynamic this never happens. (Yeah yeah I know Naruto has this power in canon, but other characters I've seen exactly this phenomenon happen with sure as hell don't.) I don't know what this says, exactly, but it's not something I'm a fan of (submissive = female?).

Re: Pairing Order

[brightblueink]

I don't know what this says, exactly, but it's not something I'm a fan of (submissive = female?)

I think the uke is supposed to be the audience stand-in for female readers, at least to some degree, and...I think that's a reflection of what's considered to be the "norm" for women in bed in Japanese culture (at least from what I've seen in Japanese porn stuff, overall). I'm not 100% sure that's right, but...that's the impression I've gotten anyway.

Re: Pairing Order

[ariakas]

Yeah, you're right about that, but this isn't necessarily the Japanese audience. Quite a bit of Western fandom follows suit.

It bothers the shit out of me on two levels: one, equating femininity with submissiveness (dommes are hella hot, and hella feminine, what the shit?) and equating submission in a man with the feminization of that man (lots of manly as fuck dudes like to be submissive). Blargh.

Re: Pairing Order

[brightblueink]

Yeah, it drives me crazy, too. It's such a weird line to draw...

And I'm not in LA fandoms much so I didn't realize that was a thing there, too--it's possible that some of the LA stuff is coming out of the same anime fangirl culture that's mimicking the Japanese norms in yaoi, though. Maybe? (That wouldn't explain stuff like the same thing popping up in Spock/Kirk fic, though. If it does. I'm not in the ST fandom so I don't know.)

Re: Pairing Order

[(Anonymous)]

It does pop up in Star Trek, trust me. It's also common in Harry Potter, Supernatural, X-Men (first class and original trilogy), Starsky and Hutch, the Avengers, Inception, and BBC Sherlock. These are just the ones I'm personally familiar with, but whatever the origin, the "pretty"/short/cheerful character of the two tends to be the popular bottom regardless of medium.

Re: Pairing Order

[brightblueink]

Argh. That's annoying. Now I'm not sure where that stereotype started...

Re: Pairing Order

[(Anonymous)]

Interesting. I've always preferred the surly, sniping characters on the bottom. I'm not adverse to some switching going on, and typical seme/uke dynamics will make me retreat in a flurry of back-buttoning, but in general I'm more comfortable with the more extroverted character (no matter how slight the difference) topping.

Of course Tiger & Bunny is the exception that blows my general rule out of the water, but that's mostly because I have a hard time seeing Kotetsu being the aggressor in a sexual relationship. (Hell, I think Tomoe probably had to club him and toss him into bed.) It doesn't really matter to me who's penetrating whom in that pairing, it's more that, given his past, I see Bunny as the one needing to feel in control. Plus my utterly shallow opinion that Kotetsu's gloriously long legs are going to waste if they aren't wrapped around somebody.