[ SECRET POST #2105 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2105 ⌋

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Comments

Not OP

[(Anonymous)]

What's not to say that it's not what the Cybertronians themselves identified with? (well, what the writers thought the Cybertronians would identify with since they're fictional). Jazz would have looked at the humans in the media known for playing the music he so loved, and therefore adopted a black avatar. Optimus would have looked, practically, at the type of person who drove his alt-form, and that avatar is pretty in keeping with the stereotypical truck driver. Regardless of any other label Sunstreaker is DEFINITELY vain, so he would have looked for what was considered attractive where they were. Slender blondes are venerated in the US, where they were on Earth. So, yup. Pretty blonde for Sunny.

They look mechanical to me, not like musclemen. They're made up of rectangles! And what would you have suggested for them to use to refer to one another as, when they're talking in English. Pronouns for living objects must have a gender. "It" is considered demeaning. We don't use it for anything alive, and many non-alive objects, especially those capable of locomotion (boats are often "she", for example). In a language without gendered pronouns it actually worked a bit differently. In the Japanese dub of the cartoon the characters were using the 1st-person personal pronoun - which does vary by gender and even has multiple levels) all over the place. English requires a gendered pronoun. They don't really have a choice but to refer to one another by one. Yes, they chose "he". They would have to be consistent to BE genderless, because if half were using he and half she then it would mean there was a difference somewhere because the words have different meanings once both are used. And while "they" is an acceptable replacement for when the gender is not known, I imagine that would have been confusing for the voice actors and original target audience for Transformers. "Go talk to Wheeljack, they'll have the answer" also reads incredibly strangely.

You can't blame something for the limits and rules of the language it's written in.

Re: Not OP

[(Anonymous)]

But you can use it as an example of the male-centricness of English-speaking cultures. Why aren't the Decepticons or the airframes or the minibots "female"? Why aren't they all female?

Re: Not OP

[(Anonymous)]

TF was marketed towards young boys. The male pronoun was used so the kids could identify with the characters, and would be confused by an "it" or a "hir" or "they". On the other side you have MLP. It took 5 years for Hasbro to introduce males into that line and, what I have been told, although I cannot verify, one of the reasons was because parents were disturbed that their kids were playing house with two female ponies. Otherwise there would have been an entire world populated with females. As for one of the subgroups being called "she/her/female", well, as someone else said: "once you use both pronouns you have assigned them to that gender". By having everyone using the same pronoun they may be male, but they're all the SAME in male. It's not EXCLUDING females, it's just not including them.

Fandoms are microcosms of culture, but taking it THAT far out to "it's a problem with all of the culture" is uncalled for. You seem to be calling dozens of cultures problematic, which...is kind of problematic in and of itself.

Re: Not OP

[(Anonymous)]

Did you seriously just call dozens of cultures problematic because of pronouns? You must be a miserable person, hating millions of people based on 1000s of years of linguistic evolution.