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fandomsecrets2012-10-07 03:42 pm
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(Anonymous) 2012-10-08 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)While I understand what you're saying, I really feel like this is a throw the baby out with the bathwater situation. If I were triggered by rape fic including men with beards, and someone had a generic non-con warning on a fic about a character who is sometimes bearded in canon, I would steer clear. People with triggers aren't inherently illogical or looking to be offended; many, like the OP, have constructed checklists of their own that include things that may be clues that a place may not be good for them to read in. Trigger warnings are one piece of that evaluation, not the whole thing. And I have never actually seen someone "chewed out" for warning for something like "serious illness" or "permanent injury", so I find your "hospital" example hard to imagine, although I realize stupid people on the internet have argued over stupider things.
I have a fairly common trigger that doesn't end up in fic much. I don't expect more than general warnings, but you can bet I read summaries carefully when they seem like they might include the thing that triggers me.
So basically, calling trigger warnings "toxic" and saying that they accommodate squicks rather than triggers when a number of other people with triggers are saying they're useful* seems pretty ridiculous to me.
*obviously not all people with triggers find them useful
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I don't know where it was on the meme, it was months ago, but yes, hospital was the bone of contention. Because you see mental illness is a trigger to people. So mentioning a hospital might cause people who have been hospitalized to flash back on their pain there. Except that someone else said that Hospitals weren't something reasonable to flash back on, and therefore the writer was wrong to mark it as a trigger warning.
Let me give you the height of absurdity: one person claimed that "Trigger warning: rape" triggered them, and that people shouldn't put what the trigger actually is in the warning.
Like I said, it's one of those things that seems like it should be easy enough for writers to comply with, but practically it simply doesn't work at all, except as something that foments huge amounts of wank.
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(Anonymous) 2012-10-08 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)In this thread, I see you generalizing from one event (or maybe several events on the same meme, I'm not sure), and that doesn't seem like a helpful conversation to have. Because it's all your word against mine, and I've seen plenty of places where asking people to warn has worked and any wank has been off-meme and invisible to anyone not in close contact with the mods.
You point out arguments that apparently arose in a meme that didn't have a list of standard trigger warnings to be used, and how the lack of clarity harmed the meme. You also seem to be saying that if a comm does decide on a list of things that must be warned for, those things are then being warned for as squicks and not as potential triggers, which is logic that I don't follow.
And furthermore, you seem to be only willing to listen to trauma survivors who prove your point, rather than those who say that warnings are useful (of which there are at least a few in this very thread). If this isn't a conversation you have a stake in as someone with triggers (and I don't know you, so I have no idea) I recommend you take a step back.
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